Thanks, guys! Really appreciate it! I think I'll compile a failed spreadsheet as well, it might show something obvious between the successful and unsuccessful. I don't think the base thing is likely, but it is ofc a slim possibility x'D

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My side king x Lioness x100, Nothing. Figured I'd give him a try instead, since I sold a cub and had the SB on my side. xD

Will definitely try my Hyena girly x my main king next though.

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Thanks so much for the effort! All data helps :D!

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Hate to admit it, but...it's kind of addicting and fun. xD

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OK, so I tried a few things.

Previous post is edited, and I tried scrying three kings with a markingless NCL: no success. The first two are "confirmed" kings (have actually sired rosette cubs) from the sheet. The third was my own.

No results.

Then I went back and looked at the two girls I had successful scries with - and scried them with themselves.

This girl - who scried both a heavy and a soft rosette with my king - did not produce any rosettes by breeding with herself in the imaginary scry world.

However, this girl who scried a heavy rosette with my king also scried a heavy rosette with herself.

This maybe can prove some elimination?

- Both girls have Blue Cape and Henna Cloud.
- Both have an 'under' type marking (Under Golden 8, Feline Unders / Fiery Undershine)

The girl who rosetted with herself only has five markings:
Slot 3: Blue Cape (50%)
Slot 4: Feline 6 Onyx (100%)
Slot 5: Nacre Lace (55%)
Slot 7: Fiery Undershine (51%)
Slot 9: Henna Cloud (64%)

We can probably eliminate Cape x Cloud as being the culprit as the other girl also has them.
Feline x something may be a possibility, as the other girl does not have feline - the king does, however, and so could 'activate' the rosettes.
Lace seems unlikely, as neither the king or the other girl has lace.
Feline Unders is likely not a direct cause, as this girl does not have them (the king & other girl do).

If Feline Unders & Undershine are classified as the same type of marking, then Feline Marking x Unders type Marking = Rosette, possibly.

If we expand "Feline" to also include Siamese or Puma or Margay or Panther (feline based markings) - we may have two general groups?

Feline:
Feline # ___
Margay
Panther
Puma
Siamese
Cheetah
(RMA felines?)

Unders:
Undershine
Inverted ___ (Cheetah, Zebra, Etc)
Anything with Under or Unders

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Oooh very helpful, thank-you! And close in line to my suspicions surrounding siamese, inverted and under markings. I have a funny notion that it does indeed involve all markings of the "under" spectrum, including specials (ie, Ivory Undershine, Fiery Unders, etc).

Very helpful in trying to determine whether the marking is passed mainly from ONE lion or if TWO need specific marker sets.

Did you by chance try scrying them together? :D!

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I did not, but I certainly can!

I will add though - the rosette theory I saw previously (first rosettes released) that seemed the most popular was Unders Type Marking (markings that are designed to touch the belly) with an "Overs" type marking (those that touch the back/dorsal area).

That has been disproven by a few examples (one I even bred myself though heck help me if I could find that girl NOW), but I wonder if that's what inspired this rosette pattern?

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Quite likely! I do need to have a hunt through the theory posts, too - I'm quite adamant unders do have something to do with it; namely because the example lions used in the post both displayed with under markings of some sort (and while not official, I do feel like it may have been some kind of slight clue.. which therein lead me to question siamese/feline 5/points/lace as another contributor as that what it looks like a marking on the second lioness as well); Xylax also specified that he was 'inspired by theory threads' - so another clue, I guess :3

I might join you in scrying the ladies for a time - I might scry them up against a couple of the other girls here who have scryed successfully, as well. Elimination by trial :D

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Also, additional to my far-fetched notion that bases may somehow play a part.. Anyone ever notice this?


This is a plain Brown based cub.


Bisquit


Beige


Birch


.. is it possible that there is a secret here?
If there isn't, there should be

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xD

OK, fixed the links in last post since I linked to the same girl twice.

And... I cannot get the two girls to scry a rosette TOGETHER. That actually doesn't make sense to me so I don't know if I'm just having bad luck.

Basically what I have here (if luck is not a factor) based on my scries:

Lioness A x King A = Heavy Rosette, Soft Rosette
Lioness B x King A = Heavy Rosette
Lioness A x Lioness A = No Rosette
Lioness B x Lioness B = Heavy Rosette
Lioness A x Lioness B = No Rosette

(This also makes me think that maybe heavy rosette is linked to feline x unders, but soft is not.)

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Which markings do the ladies not share?

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Lithium inspired me and I decided to scry my hyena girly and the one that I had scried the heavy rosette from.
Lioness x previous scry x100, Nothing. Will try again with a girl that has an Under marking.

I think most of the old bases have that pattern on them? But who knows. But then again...Zarafshan base does have it...coincidence? >.>
Do any of the parents' bases have it at that stage also?

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Lioness A's "unique" markings:
Slot 4: Coral Luster (90%)
Slot 5: Under Golden 8 (75%)
Slot 6: White Feline Unders (90%)
Slot 10: Bloodbourne Siamese (100%)

Lioness B's "Unique" markings:
Slot 4: Feline 6 Onyx (100%)
Slot 5: Nacre Lace (55%)
Slot 7: Fiery Undershine (51%)

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Kit: In my case, Lioness A, Lioness B, and King A all have bases that do not have the spotting.

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So that would then point to any of 'A's' markings being required to produce rosette, either singularly or as a combination, if she scryed successfully to herself?

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