true, but you are getting stats there from normal hunting and if the main issue is levelling up not doing anything, it would make it do something now. kings also get skill stats.

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In my main post I explain the level-up is only useful if you're trying to breed a good heir with reasonable cub stats. It's not hunting stats, it's the lack of leveling stats. Making the levels do "anything" isn't the answer as it's then still completely useless. My entire point is when the lionesses level up they should gain a small amount of stats (1 for each stat ideally) that will pass on to the cubs and help you get a cub that is easier to train into a reasonable heir. I've seen countless 300-600 stat primal kings, it's kinda sad and unless you're desperate for a chance at a mutie just for the sake of crossing it off your list, no one wants to stud a low-stat king. So upping the cubs will help with heirs and with studding appeal.

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If you are worried about the stats of your heir, there is the option of patrolling. As a fairly dedicated hunter, my highest leveled lionesses are 45-ish and 50 (she's currently #5 on the level leaderboard- A'Sharad Hett). That's 250-ish stats, a stretch for most people if her position is any indication. That's only about a 30 stat gain for a cub born to that lioness.

Contrast to- The king I currently have was born at 90 stats and started patrolling at about 120 stats. He ended his patrols at 3000 stats at the age of 12y6mo, with just some leaves and patrols. My old king was 16 then, so he had to be replaced or he was on track to make it to 3.5k, maybe more. He's only gained 800-ish leveling and he's already 12 again.

Leveling your king is not, for most people, going to be the most effective or fastest way to gain stats. We both have kings in their 20's, but you've got to get higher than that for stat gains to start catching up to what you could get from patrolling.

I don't have a strong opinion on stat gains through leveling, but also keep in mind that, until fairly recently, the cost to buy hunts didn't increase. Now, after buying 10, it costs 30sb instead of 10sb per hunt added. So it seems as if staff is also trying to control stat gains somewhat.

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Patrolling is a given, thus I didn't add it. I make sure if I have an heir I'm working on he patrols every hour. I'm only talking about the lionesses here. I just mean prior to patrolling it'd be very useful to have higher base stats. Not like 800 or something like that, I don't expect it to be that high, but I just mean not 90-200 stats. That's just a nuisance for a visually great heir, and people usually end up with those low-level muties because there's no way to get the females up higher to aid towards cub stats.

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But cub stats are still only about 12% of parent stats, not counting skill (skill doesn't pass). If your cub is coming out at 90 stats currently, then even with these level stats being added, your best hope is to get a cub with 120-150 stats instead. You'd also need to get a lioness up to level 9 to pass even 1 stat; I have no idea how difficult this is for most people, though.

--(current highest level lioness) * (breedable stats gained through leveling if it's 1+ per stat per level) /12% is 55 * 5 * .12 = 33

If 2 points per stat are gained per level, your best hope is to add 60 stats to a cub. And I couldn't support having lionesses gain more than 1-2 points per stat, per level. This'd start to skew these gains on higher level lionesses far too quickly. 60 stats is worthless on the low end of stats (as in, you can't get more for a 200 stat cub than a 30 stat cub, they're priced on looks/mutations at that point), but it can be the difference between 3.2k and 3.3k and a couple GB.

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Thanks for the math lesson? lol
I don't mean that's the cub stats I'm getting, I mean that's what a lot of other people are getting. Trying to find an heir-worthy cub to buy is harder than one to breed yourself, and it kinda makes primal cubs less worth the prices they go for if their stats are 90-200, as it is with the mutations that can be passed on.
Also if you read my first post you'll know I only want them to earn a total of at highest 6 stats per level up, one for each stat area.
I'm not siure how people even get to 3k stats on any lion without paying real money, and I've made my position on that clear; not everyone can waste money on a game. This would make it easier for the average player to get decent cubs, which shouldn't be exclusive to those who have money to spare. Granted some people dedicated a crap ton of time to the game to get GB, but I'm not mentioning those people. My basic point is, I'm saying it should be easier to get a cub of 300-500 birth stats. I barely get my kings to 1.5k each time I have them; I just don't have the time or money to buy them stat boosters every day. But that's why I'm saying if you up the lioness stats you can get a decent cub and have a good chance of at least being in the 900 range when your heir takes the king role. Then it really is up to you to level up your lion.

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I agree with this but my main reason for supporting is that stats on lionesses are 99% completely and totally useless. It's fricking ridiculous. Levelling is even worse, because it has NO effect on anything in the entire game except for the leaderboard and that has no in game effect.

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It takes a lot of time. lol They get to it by spending a lot of time with stat breeding and then it's easier to keep up. You just have to get a basis for it. They gave you the math equation so you'd know how the cub breeding works in the terms of stats, which is one of the reasons you gave for wanting lionesses to get more stats. Why shouldn't it be harder to buy an heir than to make one?? It is your heir, after all; no one else will have exactly what you want. LD isn't a game to just pop into once in a while and expect to hit the same levels as people who spend hours a day and years to get their breeding projects up. If you want a 900 stat heir, breed for one and patrol it.

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Aly/Relic; I know why they did it but I'm aware of how it works. I just think how it works needs some fine-tuning. Again, it seems like no one who replies has read my initial post. *sigh*

Lioden also is just a game, and a game can only take up so much of a person's time. There are of course down times when I have time to spend all day on the site, but not everyone can and definitely not all the time. If you do, well, we won't go there.

And lastly, I've had at least 2 heirs starting with 900+ stats. I'm not saying it's impossible for an average person as it is right now but you have to be lucky AND have been working on it for all the spare time you have. It shouldn't be a 6+-hour-a-day endeavor to get a decent heir on a game where the potential to make this easier is right there with leveling up the lionesses.
Seriously, if you think we should have to waste all of our real life time on Lioden in order to get anything good you've got way too much free-time on your own hands. It's one thing if you make this game your life but for people like me who yeah, love it but can't live it, the stats currently are ridiculous.

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I have, a few times, and I'm sure they did as well. This is the point of a discussion forum for suggestions - to get every side. And game or not, you still have to work for things. I've already pledged my support, but you do have to keep in mind people spend a lot of time on stat breeding as is. How does it make it much easier? Bezthiel gave the stats on it, and it doesn't seem like it'd help much. I never stated I think anyone should spend all their time on LD, nor did I claim to have excess amounts of free time. Please don't get hostile with me. People do, however, need to put SOME time and work into things they want. No one makes this game their life.

edit: I'm not looking for an argument, I'm looking for a discussion. I don't want to get into anything with hostility so if you believe this will head there, please choose not to reply to this. Thank you. As you stated, it is just a game, and everyone has their own viewpoints on how it should work as well as on suggestions.

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I have to agree with Aly and Bethezial on this. Though I agree 100% with the concept, I sincerely doubt it'll make any big impact on stat breeding apart from making levelling minorly more helpful. I don't think that it's worth implementing solely for the possibility of breeding higher stat cubs, but I do think that it would be beneficial in that it generates interest in USING things like the auto-levelling tool to actually level your lionesses instead of letting them sit or hunting them more often instead of just enough to feed the pride.

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That's what I agree with too, Razz. I've already supported the base suggestion for levelling up to do something for lionesses, but I don't agree that it'll impact breeding much. You have to work for that, through multiple generations. I'm trying to get into clean stat breeding rn and it's definitely going to take a long, long time. No amount of time I put into LD per DAY is going to speed up breeding cooldown times.

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Aly/Relic; I'm not getting hostile, I know it's just a discussion. A lot of people find what I have to say offensive because I don't really care about putting things politely, I'm just blunt. lol Sorry if you're not used to that, I know it comes across as hostile/rude to people, but oh well. Can't help how written words are perceived over the internet.

As for the breeding generations thing, for people who aren't doing projects any amount is helpful, that's my point.

Breeding cooldown? What does that have to do with it? I've never said anything about their breeding cooldown, all of this is about levels.

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I'm the same way. lol I know how being blunt is on the internet and how to control a tone. You can be blunt and polite - bluntness doesn't mean rudeness, but I digress. And why would people not doing any projects amount to the same stat points as people who try to do them? Why should people who put in less time be rewarded the same as those who put in more? Anything in life will be different to people who put more time into something. And the point was that everyone has to wait the same amount of days - I could spend 12 hours straight on LD if I had the time but it's not going to cut down the lionesses breeding cooldowns or age them down or something, hence why I stated you have to work for it and put time into it.

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Bluntness is easily confused for rudeness.

Because projects are a hobby? It's not actually crucial to the game to do projects. For a perfect example this "clean breeding" fad that's going on. Not everyone has to or wants to participate in it, but you still get the same results regularly, you just have a different personal goal for those results.

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