I kind of wonder if using total stats is not so much a good idea as using just one stat, like Skill. Skill can be built through PVP on a normal day, your king's level determines how much skill you can cap out on as well. Players can build their skill easily through April to prepare for May. Using just the skill stat to determine the brackets might alleviate stat monsters from trouncing other kings in the brackets that have a 2000 stat spread (5k-7k? seriously?)

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This was the exact thread I was hoping i'd find on here,,

I have 6.2k+ stats (115 skill at the time of me posting) but I keep getting the same 8000 -10,000+ stat lions in my brackets and have only made it to the final bracket once or twice, like,,,, I keep getting a LOT of leaderboard lions in my bracket, and no hate to them but it feels super unfair and frustrating. 3 days in and I'm already sorta over the event.. which sucks because I was super excited and having a lot of fun. I'd be so much more comfortable only battling lions with around a 2k+ stat advantage on me, otherwise it feels super unbalanced :|

also the pms aaaaaa I wish I could just click the notification and go right to the bracket


Edit: Also I noticed the wiki said "To prevent lower-statted lions from being pitted against bloodthirsty beasts with thousands of stats, the Battle Arena is divided into several different tiers, based upon a lion's total stat count." but this definitely seems outdated in terms of the big beefy bois we have in the game now

Edit 2: This is a good example of how uneven a lot of my brackets have been. There's lots of 6k statters, but we don't even have a chance :( No hate to the bracket winners, obviously, it's not their fault they're in the same category. The two finalists are also owned by the same person, which makes it feel even more unfair that we're grouped with them :(

The mentioned tournament

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Arcana: Their reasoning for this is, and many of the high statters argued to this point, is that there are fewer 7K+ Statters so they would have to wait hours for the same number of contestants to join (8 total within their bracket) and would therefore compete in fewer tournaments vs the more numerous brackets in the lower stat range.

It would make more sense to base the brackets off a single stat rather than use lower statted lions as fodder to be pitted against the meat grinder high statters.

I believe Skill would be a good stat to base brackets on.

From my observation, Skill caps with level so even if a 10k stat lion was only level 11 (more than likely he is higher) he can only cap out for level 11, then he would have to level up to increase the skill. If this is the case, then there are plenty of lions across many stat ranges from 50-10000 who have Skill levelled up enough to compete in different brackets regardless of "Total" stats.

Skill can be farmed through PVP every 2 hours (until capped at whatever level a lion is), so its in line with the current event. Players can work to gain skill within a reasonable time frame (Either in April or during May) to compete with similarly skilled lions.

Below is an image of an easy search based on a lion's level. Notice that the level does not reflect the stats. A lion can be 500 stats and still be level 20.

Each of these lions have an average skill of 150-300 at level 20. There is only a handful of lions capped at above 300 skill at level 20. And if the level cap works the same in lower stats as it does for higher stats, leveling skill to its cap should not be unobtainable for anyone of any stat range.



For example, if a lion is level 20 and the Skill gains cap at 300, regardless of the lion's total stats, he can compete with anyone within his Skill range. If two lions went against each other, and they both had only 1-10 skill, even if one had a total of 500 stats and the other a total of 10,000 stats, they would be based on their Skill only. Thats it.

This is an image of Main lions of an average of 150 skill at level 20.



The other way they could do is regardless of stat, you compete with lions only in your own level. 1-5, 6-10, 11-15, etc. There are more than enough lions at all levels to make tournaments easy to fill.

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Thank you for explaining!! That would actually make a LOT more sense!!

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SO. MUCH. SUPPORT.

These stat brackets are way to large of a gap.

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The problem I have is my bracket filled fine the first part of the month. Now I'm waiting nearly an hour for it to fill, then the cool down after that.

It's been really frustrating. Can we adjust the top end brackets down a little to make a bigger spread?

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@ Baroness. I will no longer participate in the arena when I have to constantly lose to 8k lions when my main is 5k. This is why you are seeing fewer people joining arena (And likely why you are calling for a reduction of that stat bracket).

The complaint that resulted in the 5k-8k bracket was because there were never enough participants in those brackets to fill an 8 slot arena roster. (It used to be 10 participants and there were far fewer 5k+ kings at the time) They ended up shortening it to 8 participants to alleviate the wait, but did not reducing the 3k stat imbalance. As a result, fewer and fewer participants joined. Which brings us back to the issue of too few participants as before.

Its not fun to be fed as fodder to kings 2-3k above. Its basically an "I win" button for anyone in the 7-8k bracket. I rerolled my king from 5800 stats on this account, finally saying "Screw this!" and I have not been in the arena on my 5k main since. Its a waste of my time. And for what? Lame rewards and rep for sub par groupies? No thank you. Ill ride out this event that for years has been poorly implemented.

Honestly, I liked the rain event better than arena, but guess which one got revamped? They only tweaked the arena, but its still massively imbalanced.

I wish they would choose one stat, like Skill to base the brackets on. Its a stat that can be built up and ties in with every day PVP (May is a PVP based event). And its can fill arena brackets easier across all "total stat" kings. A king that is 1k can compete against an 8k as long as they have the same skill, and it would only be determined by skill stat RNG and not by "total stats RNG" as it is now.

Edit: On a side not, notice its taking way longer than previous years for the shops last tier to open? Ive seen on average every day 800-900 people online, where in other months the average is 1500-2000. I believe this is a direct result of the event being no fun for many many many players, and as such, the opening of the shop becomes way more difficult. Its an direct link of a larger issue based on the popularity of this event. Ive been on Lioden for 8 years, and every year people ask for the May event to be balanced and every year its the same thing over and over. Other events get all kinds of love by devs, but this one, for some reason, just doesnt.

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Does anyone notice any differences this year? I know it's pretty early to tell but I'm thinking about dropping down from daily to weekends only, since I didn't enjoy it much last year for all of the reasons mentioned in this thread I like the shops/decor for this month, though, and the breeding challenge is honestly what I look the most forward to. The groupies are fun, too, but I hate that a huge aspect/portion was so unenjoyable for a whole stat bracket. I don't hate the event or anything, I just think that with the growth of the game it needs some attention as it's getting outdated. I'm sure the mods/coders are SUPER busy with working on the new site overhaul that's coming in the future, but I was really hoping to see an update to this at the start of the event.

Edit: I also adore the npcs for this month, they're both my sons I love them 🥺💕 I'd love to see them stay!

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Since I first started Lioden, Ive seen people begging that the May even be worked on, overhauled, fixed, but they havent done anything to improve the event.

Seeing that this year is no different, Im not going to bother to really try.

They have replaced and "fixed" other events, but have only done minor stuff with May. Id like to see it completely scrapped and a whole new event put in place.

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With the trophy thing:

Thing's like tail tufts and lions claws are actually valuable because they're crafting items for the bases for this month, however. They're loser trophies only. You can ONLY get them if you lose and only if you get lucky enough to get an item at all. I've lost over 10 times already and gotten 1 (one) pity trophy item.

Genuinely I think the real fix here is to give a chance to get 1-2 manticore beetles for losing, plus a GUARANTEED trophy item since those items are actually required for crafting.

I've played this event 3 times and still don't have enough items to craft those base apps.

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Bringing back more observations for this year.

I'm in the Ultimate 6000+ bracket and it sucks. My lion is right at 6k stats and can't clear the first round because of getting mowed over by lions with 1-2k more stats.

Don't know what the answer is, but man it feels really janky for the upper brackets.

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My king only has around 400-ish stats and he continues to lose. I've only won one tournament so far, and that's before I gave him a stat boosting item, in which didn't help at all.

It feels slightly unfair that I, and many others continue to lose. While I understand they set up the system the way they did to make it 'fair,' it is highly unfair. I have 200 MB from fighting lions in explore, and if that's how I'm going to be getting them then i'll stick to that way, since I cannot get past the first row half the time.

Even if I get to the second row someone else immediately beats my king and I just have about had it. I can't even get reputation at this point with V'kai, which is slightly annoying. Maybe to fix it put the lower stats against each other. (0-100, 101-200, 201-300, 301-400, 401-500, etc) It would be much more helpful for everyone.

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