Posted by Let's.... talk about the July Event

Lex 🦋 (#56485)

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2021-07-08 10:05:13

So...the July Event

Please read before commenting!
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I am AWARE that the "full version" of the event is not available and it will not be until next year. I am AWARE that the admin and art teams put in a lot of work for this event. I am very thankful for them. Xylax, Deertush, 7th, you guys are amazing and I love you. This thread is in no way meant to downplay your skills or capabilities, because your art is fantastic and i and everyone else appreciate everything you do for us to keep the game fresh and beautiful. This thread is being posted because I would like to hear suggestions and input from the rest of the community, because i am aware that myself and most of my friends very much dislike what has happened to the July event in terms of the rehaul.



The Mechanics
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I'm not even sure where to begin with this.

Event Currency is Participation Currency.

Asking the community to pay a tax from their currency in order to participate is, quite frankly, a little bit outrageous. It would be like having to pay stink bugs in order to leave poop in other people's dens. It would be like having to use Khepri beetles in order to fight with your deity, How is anybody supposed to save for items for the event shop with this model?

Battling Sucks.

There's not much I can say other than this. Battling NPCs is a mechanic that not many people on Lioden like to do, but now the only way to get major event currency is to fight for it on a RNG based system that you have to...pay in order to access. With enemies that don't seem to be scaled correctly at all. It isn't even a "you lose so you lost energy try again later" situation. You're physically paying event currency to have your ass beaten by space dragons. And don't even get me started on the bosses, please. How am I supposed to beat a boss when random NPCs are killing me in three hits?

What the fuck is going on?

There's just so much I want to say but I don't know how to put it into words.
It feels like there's been little to no communication from the staff team and it frustrates me because of how much I love this game and how much I loved this event.
This isn't Wolvden, but it sure feels like Wolvden is starting to bleed in over here. July really right now feels like a glorified Lunar event, and I don't like that that's been done.
When the delay news was posted, that was just fine! Like I said, I love this art team, But... this isn't what was expected. I was expecting a delay for the entire event to be posted. This wasn't communicated at all and now people are confused on all fronts, from currency to what's going on to everything else.
I really, genuinely think most people were expecting different storylines from different perspectives from the characters we've been fawning over for years, with Tefnut up first. This isn't what anybody wanted.


On the Topic of Characters
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I don't even understand why anyone thought tossing all of the July NPCs out would be a good idea or where it came from. Nobody in the community asked for this. There was so much that could have been done, that I think most people expected. When Tefnut's backstory was teased, everyone was so excited! I was super excited to learn about the celestial world of the lions we loved. We watched Menhit grow up! She's my favorite NPC in the entirety of Lioden and now she's just... gone? So i can fight some random space dragons? I'm just...confused. Like why should i...care? Where is Tefnut's backstory? Apollyon's? Apedemak's? Obviously there was more to learn about him, since one of the explore encounters talked about how he was some crazy guy talking to the sky which implies our character has no fucking idea who Apedemak is from the jump.


In closing
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Comments I would like to point out
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Edited on 08/07/21 @ 12:10:44 by Lex (#56485)

🌑 Night Moon 🌑 (#307346)

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Posted on
2022-07-02 18:48:58
I did mean pve. Pve with meaning would be okay, but this is just fighting dragons for the sake of fighting dragons. Idk.



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Sprigatito G1 Deca (#169873)

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2022-07-02 19:16:19
I dunno, I don't mind the dragons. In October we fight angels/demons/the undead, and last month we fought a number of supernatural snakes, so space dragons doesn't seem too far-fetched. Granted, I'm not a huge fan of battle events; I do wish it were more spaced out because now we've had 3 battle heavy events in a row.

My biggest issue was mainly that battles seemed unbalanced and that it was tanking the value of items, but it seems fine now. I'd be okay with lowering (or maybe randomizing?) the amount of MS used per explore, maybe a range from 3-5?

Otherwise, I think mods said they were tying the story together for next year so I guess we just wait until then



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Edited on 02/07/22 @ 19:17:09 by Sprigatito G1 Quad (#169873)

Seolhe (#136122)

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2022-07-02 19:28:02
Ugh, so yeah, 2 shards clearly wasn't working well with the whole infinite exploration situation you ended up with, but bringing it back up to 5 just puts us back on square one. I don't know about anyone else, but I haven't really experienced much of a shard boost in explore, at least not to a degree where it justifies the 5 shard cost. Unless I'm lucky enough to run into one of the NPC encounters that give you 10 MS, I usually seem to get some 10-15 MS tops per energy bar, which means, WOW, I get to take 2 or 3 steps in space! Great!

I do think the battles seems to have gotten a bit easier (although I obviously don't want to dismiss anyone who still struggles with them) but the MS situation still feels really unbalanced



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Edited on 02/07/22 @ 19:30:29 by Seolhe (#136122)

★Keiji [spare] (#119360)

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2022-07-02 23:58:10
as someone who only is able to check on Lioden a few times a week now and for short periods of time, the amount of grinding that is needed to have any reward from this event is a strong deterrent. I loved the old July event. it used to be my top favorite in any of the events because I loved the characters and the storyline. yes, the plot needed to be re-written and maybe condensed a bit, but throwing out the entire thing for grind demanding space dragons wasn't it and doesn't make any sense.



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Slade (#36600)

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2022-07-03 06:16:54
I agree, 2MS was too nerfed.

That being said, Ive used 2 full energy bars and got 18MS from explore.

Ive gotten a wild number of NCLs showing up though.

This event? 0/10 stars would not recommend.



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Seolhe (#136122)

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2022-07-03 08:47:02
230% energy gave me 30 MS (9 on the first full bar, 21 on the second mostly thanks to one of the NPC encounters, 0 on the 30% bonus). That earned me 11 steps in the celestial explore and 8 cores (and that's with me winning every battle I encountered). That feels pretty pitiful to me.

Like, imagine that's all you have time for in a day. 8 cores in a day. I'm lucky enough I have more time to come on and play throughout the day, but even then I don't exactly expect to rake in a lot. Maybe I'll have another 2 or 3 energy bars to work with, so maybe that'll earn me another 8-10 cores



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Twig (#264420)

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2022-07-03 09:03:44
Main account in normal explore -18 MS with no NPC encounters on a new king and on two energy bars. Since I wasn't able to take advantage of the 2 per step price I started my day with 30 MS and 0 C and ended the stroll with 3MS and 6 C seeing how last time I tried to earn via battling I just get smashed with this king.

Side account in normal explore - 32 MS with 1 NPC encounter on a king who is 15years and on two energy bars. Was able to take advantage of the 2per step price and managed to earn quite a bit just via walking. I just stopped battling since I would get stun locked and 4 battles in a row. On top of that the lag.

With the price change happening once again, I'm just gonna push all of my currency onto one account and go from there since it clearly goes further than trying to do two separate accounts.



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rose (#254434)


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2022-07-03 09:06:05
Also, why do the drakes have wings? Drakes dont have wings.
drakes are dragons with 4 legs and NO WINGS.

lioden devs you dont fucking know what a drake is, do you?



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Auris (#102788)


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2022-07-03 09:09:19
I mean, to be fair, all of these creatures are made up, even if they are inspired by real life creatures or tales. A drake can really be anything anyone wants, there is just a common definition that most go by, but it can be anything. Like to me, I see wyverns as dragons instead of something different entirely. To me the term Wyvern only describes a dragon with 4 limbs instead of six, but I still write them as dragons and call them dragons, they are just a type.



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2022-07-03 09:12:50
Not only is that really unnecessarily hostile, Vanity...fantasy is just that. Fantasy. There is no 'rule' that a drake has to be anything. If someone wants to make a creature with six wings, eighteen legs, seven heads and two tails and call it a drake, they can. And it's a drake, because they said it is. In that world, that is a drake. Trying to put hard and fast rules to fantasy is silly when the entire point is to let people's imaginations go mad.



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🌑 Night Moon 🌑 (#307346)

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2022-07-03 09:21:04
Yea i really like the dragon art, I don't necessarily care that they're anatomically correct to whatever their name is lol. The art itself is absolutely beautiful and I think the theme absolutely COULD work out in such a way that it's a really immersive, interesting event people enjoy. It just has absolutely no story, no rhyme or reasoning. We're just tossed into space and told "fight these alien space dragons" with no real reason for why we're there or what we're doing. I think that bothers me greatly, along with the broken mechanics. I acknowledge people felt it was too easy with 2ms per step, but 5 deters people from even participating at all. It's not worth the grind it takes to get enough to get even the most basic event items. I understand it's not supposed to be super easy, but this is super grindy and not a lot of fun. I just wish there was a story line with plot and npcs we can relate too. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense for our lions to be traversing space for no reason and suddenly fighting aliens and dragons with no real starting reason or end goal. The dragons themselves and the event itself isn't really a problem imho. Just the lack of structure and plot, going hand in hand with broken mechanics and imbalanced drop/use rates.



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2022-07-03 09:28:29
i think it wouldve been better to rewrite the story and keep the celestial explore held back a bit until it was tested more and perfected instead of working on it as the event goes because it makes the event messy



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Seolhe (#136122)

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2022-07-03 09:29:03
I agree with Starlion's point about the overall concept and lack of plot. That said, I'm holding back judgement for now since the staff has promised to tie the old storyline into the current mechanics in time for next year's event.
Not sure what their plans are but I'm hoping they'll be able to give us something more satisfying than the current state where the storyline and the actual mechanics of the event have nothing whatsoever in common aside from the vague celestial theme.



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LaughingHyena (#216298)

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2022-07-03 09:30:15
Ik this is probably been pointed out before but we have events focused on adventuring, we have events focusing on plot and your choices. Do I like the space dragons? Not really? But we are getting more and more into the story as the years go on and no event was perfect when it comes out. Hell, I hate February with a burning passion but it is what it is. Those of us who do enjoy pvp would love a pfp focused story line, and sure we have a couple but frankly I don’t think enough. I’m enjoying watching this event grow and change and seeing the LD team find what we like.

I just don’t like the dragons. Feels like they’re out of no where

Btw this thread will be muted, will not see responses



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2022-07-03 10:53:48
Like everyone said before, it is hard to make any progress with this event unless you are online constantly, and very lucky. I would say I'm online more than the average user and haven't been able to get many axion cores at all. It makes the event not very fun. The space visuals are beautiful and wonderfully made, but we shouldn't have to spend our whole day religiously on Lioden in order to make some event progress.



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