Posted by Let's.... talk about the July Event

Lex 🦋 (#56485)

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2021-07-08 10:05:13

So...the July Event

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I am AWARE that the "full version" of the event is not available and it will not be until next year. I am AWARE that the admin and art teams put in a lot of work for this event. I am very thankful for them. Xylax, Deertush, 7th, you guys are amazing and I love you. This thread is in no way meant to downplay your skills or capabilities, because your art is fantastic and i and everyone else appreciate everything you do for us to keep the game fresh and beautiful. This thread is being posted because I would like to hear suggestions and input from the rest of the community, because i am aware that myself and most of my friends very much dislike what has happened to the July event in terms of the rehaul.



The Mechanics
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I'm not even sure where to begin with this.

Event Currency is Participation Currency.

Asking the community to pay a tax from their currency in order to participate is, quite frankly, a little bit outrageous. It would be like having to pay stink bugs in order to leave poop in other people's dens. It would be like having to use Khepri beetles in order to fight with your deity, How is anybody supposed to save for items for the event shop with this model?

Battling Sucks.

There's not much I can say other than this. Battling NPCs is a mechanic that not many people on Lioden like to do, but now the only way to get major event currency is to fight for it on a RNG based system that you have to...pay in order to access. With enemies that don't seem to be scaled correctly at all. It isn't even a "you lose so you lost energy try again later" situation. You're physically paying event currency to have your ass beaten by space dragons. And don't even get me started on the bosses, please. How am I supposed to beat a boss when random NPCs are killing me in three hits?

What the fuck is going on?

There's just so much I want to say but I don't know how to put it into words.
It feels like there's been little to no communication from the staff team and it frustrates me because of how much I love this game and how much I loved this event.
This isn't Wolvden, but it sure feels like Wolvden is starting to bleed in over here. July really right now feels like a glorified Lunar event, and I don't like that that's been done.
When the delay news was posted, that was just fine! Like I said, I love this art team, But... this isn't what was expected. I was expecting a delay for the entire event to be posted. This wasn't communicated at all and now people are confused on all fronts, from currency to what's going on to everything else.
I really, genuinely think most people were expecting different storylines from different perspectives from the characters we've been fawning over for years, with Tefnut up first. This isn't what anybody wanted.


On the Topic of Characters
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I don't even understand why anyone thought tossing all of the July NPCs out would be a good idea or where it came from. Nobody in the community asked for this. There was so much that could have been done, that I think most people expected. When Tefnut's backstory was teased, everyone was so excited! I was super excited to learn about the celestial world of the lions we loved. We watched Menhit grow up! She's my favorite NPC in the entirety of Lioden and now she's just... gone? So i can fight some random space dragons? I'm just...confused. Like why should i...care? Where is Tefnut's backstory? Apollyon's? Apedemak's? Obviously there was more to learn about him, since one of the explore encounters talked about how he was some crazy guy talking to the sky which implies our character has no fucking idea who Apedemak is from the jump.


In closing
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Comments I would like to point out
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Edited on 08/07/21 @ 12:10:44 by Lex (#56485)

Mirenoch (#124397)


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Posted on
2021-07-18 21:47:29
@vvalkk For some context, it would be useful to know a couple data points -
1. About how many hours per day, on average, do you spend gathering AC and MS ?
2. Do you use boosting items such as Energy Boosts, Red Bull, or Roasted Lamb ?
2a. If so, how many / how frequently ?
3. Have you purchased GB to facilitate any of this activity or other activity onsite (example: purchasing GB in order to purchase Energy Boosts) ?

It sounds like you are someone who enjoys the difficult repetitive grind that the current event activity is, and that's fine. The concern (one of many) that myself and some others have, is being able to have an event where all players can experience some level of success with. With the old event, even a casual player could accrue enough currency to purchase two or three apps*, but right now it seems the only two routes for success here are endless grinding and battles with the poor RNG system, or pay-to-play.

*Source: me being a casual player (1 hrs per day on average) and last year was able to afford 2x sunset markings and a sunrise markings app.



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Hysteric | G2 glass
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2021-07-19 01:08:26
I’ve been trying really hard to figure out the “right” attacks for certain enemies. Some I think I have a pattern for, some I can’t figure out at all. I have over 1k stats and it just feels so sad and mindless to try to stay present with every battle and try to do the “right” (works 30% of the time) thing. Am I doing something wrong?!

The art is beautiful. I love the decor. It’s just making me feel listless that I can’t get it right.

Edited to add that the <<<<< stat boost thing also just bothers me a lot. If I’m that much stronger what is going on! And I know it must be a coding issue. I feel a little silly complaining so much. But we are all complaining because we love the game. And obviously, I’m going to keep playing it



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Edited on 19/07/21 @ 01:12:03 by Hysteric | G2 Demiurge Felis (#223688)

Extraterrestrial (#43774)

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Posted on
2021-07-19 03:54:53
I was so excited for this event B(

I can only defeat the Wyrm (charge/grab/pound), the rest just kick my ass 98% of the time. I probably won't be able to get any applicators. Damn you, dev team



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Cas (#67347)

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2021-07-19 05:20:13
Wyverns are weak to the claw attack and the Dustling/Burstling enemies can flee if you roar at them.



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2021-07-19 06:08:24
@Mirenoch

1. so i actually had saved up about 3200+ shards throughout the month, and saturday i spent about four solid hours using them during a road trip.
2. i normally would not use energy items; however, since im trying to finish the july quest in a timely manner i have. i’d say i’ve used 1 energy boost and 4-5, 8-hour items. although, haven’t use them all for the full 8 hours. typically i use maybe 4-5+ full energy bars per day.
3. definitely, i’ve used maybe 10-15gb for the july quest, which gave me benefits for the july event as well.

it’s currently summer for me and i’m going back to work now after a vacation, so im unsure if i’ll be able to keep up my daily rate. im kind of torn with that matter, as i agree many are troubled with the battle system. i do think though it’s an halfway-decent balance. casual players can still receive select items, and the people that put their additional, available time and energy receive more. i don’t think the applicators and decor should be “handed out,” or their value would diminish if they were more easily attainable.



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cobaltcorvid (#154355)

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2021-07-19 15:03:54
I am only on sporadically and struggle to participate in the events due to busy IRL. I gotta be honest and say i'll probably just skip this event next year :s the battles being almost entirely RNG means they don't stay fun past maybe the first day of most given events, as much as I otherwise adore the "explore" mechanic and this one feels incredibly punishing.

Love the art though, I don't really mind the storyline either, but at the end of the day it feels like "click to roll dice to click to roll dice to click to roll dice, maybe after days of this you get a cool prize" lol



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Aumaiy [Best Buy] (#197286)

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2021-07-19 16:45:59
I am not trying to bring down the staff, but this event was a bit of a disappointment. As some other players in this thread said earlier, we shouldn't have to pay event currency, to get more event currency. I'm not sure about others but this feature really stresses me out, as I'm constantly worrying about whether or not I have enough meteor shards to explore, the celestial realm (explore) only to have a small chance of getting axion cores.

Another thing is the event NCP's are a bit overpowered. There have been people with good stat, and/or high-level lions who also complain about this in chat. The art is amazing, yet the whole event itself seems like a gamble. I'm happy that the apps are cheaper but it doesn't help the fact that the currency is hard to get.

I also feel as if players look forward to the event currency and being abe to spend that instead of sb/gb, which is why I personally dislike the Tefnuts Memories shop. And we can't forget our beloved NCP's, Tefnut, Menhut, and Apollyon, who are no longer with us. I know for a fact that majority of the players miss them dearly



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Baridi (#21604)

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2021-07-19 17:11:26
I only did this event to get the Demiurge base. I've had almost 2000 shards saved up from last year, so it was not that bad for me to get to 100 axions. But it needed almost all my 2000 shards and that made me a bit tense. Since I've got the Demiurge, I haven't done anything event based, because there's nothing for my interest. I love the art, the dragons, the space theme, but there's really nothing new that interests me, or makes me want to get it from the shops.



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Aumaiy [Best Buy] (#197286)

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2021-07-19 17:16:24
@Baridi

^^ I only got a few things from the shop, and I paid people to buy them for me because it's hard for me to get axions.



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claire [main] (#194433)


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2021-07-19 17:32:19
I had about 1700 meteorite shards saved from using SEVERAL red bulls and roasted lambs, then spent an hour or two in the celestial explore to get axion cores. I got around 150 Axion Cores. I am in no way bashing the event, but the difficulty and tedious-ness NPC battling, and the low drop rate is very frustrating.

That being said, I do have hope for this event, and can't wait to see what is done with this event in the future!



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Cas (#67347)

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2021-07-19 17:35:15
I think one thing that makes the June event more enjoyable for me is that our deity of choice helps us in battle. On my main I typically choose Bast. I'm not sure exactly what the percentage is for her heal to activate each turn. But even though it's only 5HP, it's still enough to tip the scales even slightly in our favour. if the NPC battles this month are going to stay tuned the way they are, I feel like some kind of help like this would diminish frustration, at least for me. That 5HP isn't going to be enough to survive an entire boss NPC attack, but maybe with that little boost I get bitten for 20 damage instead of 25 and survive.

There doesn't have to be an NPC aspect to it. We're floating through weird space dust. Maybe that last cloud we moved through gives us an aura that heals 5HP on occasion, or boosts our attacks by 3, the way Seth does.

I just feel like the battling aspect needs SOMETHING. The May event can be battle heavy, but that's not the only available quest. The June event is very battle heavy, but we have our deities to help us.

And even if changes are not made to the battling, maybe add other quests.



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Avery (#229786)

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Posted on
2021-07-19 17:37:30
I've checked out the Lioden Wiki before this event happened, and I thought the storyline and everything else was super cool! It sounded great and was totally looking forward to it, and I was met with...well, this.

I feel kind of sad because I joined around February-March and I never had a chance to experience the past event. The new event's art is amazing, but without the storyline or anything and because I get currency to get more currency(Meteorite Shards >>> Axion Cores)I don't get motivated to participate.

The chances of winning battles in Celestial Explore are sort of unfair too. I only win battles around 30-40% of the time and I waste all my Meteorite Shards to simply lose a battle. The NPCs are way OPed, even after the staff tweaked it a bit. Maybe if the staff added something to make players more motivated to explore?

I also noticed the similarity from this event to the Lunar Event on Wolvden. It sort of made me wonder if the staff did it on purpose or if they made a mistake. I also really don't understand the connection between lions in Africa and soaring through space to fight dragons...?

I am looking forward to the new changes the staff said they'll make next year, but the event was sort of disappointing.

Staff, thank you for your hard work! I don't mean to pull you down or offend you.



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GHOST 💀 (#58174)

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2021-07-24 12:52:28
Part of me feels like this event was extremely rushed and not thought over very well. We went from having a fleshed out story (albeit the entire thing wasn't very savoury and I'm still a little ticked that this character introduced to us turned into a incestuous rapist but I digress) to something that was just tossed at us with the 'HEY LOOK, DRAGONS!' as its only appeal. I have NO idea what's going on in this event what-so-ever. The gems and crafting materials gathered are completely useless at the moment. The whole event doesn't fit into Lioden at all in my opinion and the secondary explore just feels like a recycled Wolvden concept considering the two things are pretty much the exact same. I dislike fighting NPCs with a burning passion and feel it's a waste of energy. The overabundance of NPCs to fight in the nebula explore is kinda irking.
I love starry themes and the July decor but this isn't it.



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Posted on
2021-07-24 12:56:08
Almost feel like the "I liked the art" shouldnt have even been an answer on the survey. Cool arts does not make it better.

I have never disliked an event before.. .but I dont like this one still.
Ive given it a chance.
I literally just on to use the stone for the rewards.
Thats it.



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Pan! {Sutekh Ferus} (#15435)

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Posted on
2021-07-24 13:03:09
The fact they never touched on it beyond those tone deaf polls and avoided the crux of the issues has left a bad taste in my mouth.

I've just accepted for the last week that it is what it is, and am painstakingly harvesting what AC I can before it's over, as the apps in this event are some of my favourites.
I desperately hope they handle this sort of thing better in the future, but it's not the end of the world. Just a poor turnout.



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