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Posted by | Actual Queens! ( Not lab frogged kings ) |
Readytest (#431796)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-06-25 19:53:02 |
So people suggested I make my own topic, so I did! I'm going to place all my Add-ons to making such thing possible as to balance everything out! So basically what if we could make our lionesses the main lion(ess)? No, I don't mean lab frogging a male lion, I mean a female lioness becoming queen. Obviously, this needs some work to be plausible. Issues: - Without the role of main male, breeding is near impossible without the help of studding, even then it costs SB - Potential crunchy worm abuse; win a RLC, queen her on your side, and choose "keep king looks" each time you choose a heir. - questions like "Lionesses can't do anything while nesting, how will this leader work?" And "you can't breed her as much because main males can breed for as much territory they have! What use is this female leader?" - the fact that 16 years go fast on this game.. ...So I propose many rebuttals to fix those issues! Starting with: - Sub males are breedable IF there's a queen, even then, they can only breed to the queen. - If not for that, you can rarely find a wandering stud who'll breed to one or two of your lionesses OR your queen for free. The stud is randomized, and can very, VERY rarely have a mutation. - You cannot keep a female leader's looks when time comes to choose a heir, BUT you get benefits ( see benefits below ) - your queen in heat can also stud to one's main male - all text will be readjusted to accommodate for your queen's gender. - If your queen is nesting, you need to set a temporarily monarch who will lead the pride and such for your queen - your queen CAN go exploring like kings. ---------------- Potential benefits and nerfs: Benefits would make some players see having a female leader as a strategy they can use, even though with the things I listed -- an un-utilized mechanic, which those players might call an underrated gem of a mechanic. There's the potential benefits: + +50 energy + speed based battle moves are more likely to hit ( Charge, pounce, etc. ) + Heat cooldown reduction ( -10 days or -5 days. ) + 1-2 extra heats + 1 extra sub male slot for Queens reign + attack lions for sub male slots + The queen may go hunting with the others, or maybe even broodmother! Hunting can be simulated in explore, obviously each step in hunting will take energy. + suggest some more if you want! Beware! There can be nerfs, too! These are in place as to balance out a female leader. - The extra sub male slot will disappear once the queen's reign is over - you can ONLY attack for sub male slots as a queen - Obviously lionesses can't keep looks once the time comes for a heir to be kinged/queened to prevent abuse with crunchy worms. - Suggest some more if you want! |
Fiery Lioness (#298660)
Untitled View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-06-29 16:19:16 |
Sub male breeding is already rejected and will always be rejected, even with breeding to a queen. And what if you don’t have a temporary monarch? How would you be able to explore? 1 player likes this post! Like? |
Readytest (#431796)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-06-29 16:40:24 |
Maybe making a breeding male you can appoint for your queen? Or maybe one of your sub males can explore for you? 0 players like this post! Like? |
Fiery Lioness (#298660)
Untitled View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-06-29 16:46:22 |
How would making a breeding male even work? And you didn’t quite answer my second question. How would one of your sub males explore for you if you don’t even have a sub male? 0 players like this post! Like? |
peepy (#48100)
Savage View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-06-29 16:48:39 |
So like pair bonds from wolvden? Then super no support from me. Please just go play wolvden if you can't wrap your head around lioden mechanics that have been the same for over a decade. 5 players like this post! Like? |
Readytest (#431796)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-06-29 16:50:36 |
Well, one of your lionesses would take the place. A breeding male would work kinda like this: You set a sub male to be the breeding male for your queen/pride, whatever is better. This sub male will breed to your queen. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Fiery Lioness (#298660)
Untitled View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-06-29 16:52:30 |
I feel like that mechanic is too similar to wolvden’s breeding system, and as I said before, sub male breeding is already rejected. 1 player likes this post! Like? Edited on 29/06/23 @ 16:53:27 by Fiery Lioness (#298660) |
Readytest (#431796)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-07-03 01:34:35 |
[ heartbroken ] [ G3 ] (#209190) Graceful View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-07-04 15:27:00 |
That circles back around to the issue of not being able to breed enough to maintain your pride. There's just a lot that would be necessary to make this fair or even feasible for players and honestly I'm not even sure what could be done to balance it out. 2 players like this post! Like? |
Readytest (#431796)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-07-04 23:07:36 |
Maybe studding would be a certain percent discount? It'll be full SB/GB gained to the stud's side 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 04/07/23 @ 23:08:19 by Readytest (#431796) |
Fiery Lioness (#298660)
Untitled View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-07-04 23:29:14 |
Readytest (#431796)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-07-04 23:37:20 |
Akiosecret 💙 (#312830)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-07-04 23:45:47 |
I think you should take this down. Suggestions like this have been rejected countless times and, honestly, if you were a little more experienced, you'd understand why. Its pointless, and the systems we have in place are perfectly fine as they are. If you want a "Queen", there's already a method to simulate that. I'm gonna be honest here, and I don't mean it as a personal insult to you, but I think newbies shouldn't be able to post suggestions. Too many times have they suggested something like this, and they don't even understand the consequences and sheer amount of coding (and oftentimes for almost nothing to show for it) involved with modifying stuff like this. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but if you play long enough you'll understand :/ 4 players like this post! Like? |
Readytest (#431796)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-07-04 23:54:47 |
This isn't in the rejected suggestions list, I doubt this is rejected, and I doubt I can't make something to make up for such big changes. I played for 3 or so months, it's just that I'm a bit bad at making logical suggestions. Sometimes newbies have better suggestions than the players who've played longer than the average player, and that's fine, it's just in case we have a newbie who has a suggestion that will better the game, we shouldn't restrict suggestions to a certain time played. And I understand what you're saying, it's just that I don't agree with it. None of this is not supposed to be offensive, I just speak my mind and only my mind 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 04/07/23 @ 23:57:53 by Readytest (#431796) |
[ heartbroken ] [ G3 ] (#209190) Graceful View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-07-05 00:02:50 |
That could be an option- though very exploitable since it essentially creates free SB/GB. If I stud to my main account (or to a friend’s account) for 75sb, discounted from 175sb, for example, I’d be creating an extra 100sb out of nowhere. I could then send the 75sb fee back to my side account and keep going for however many in-heat lionesses I can get my hands on. It’d be even worse for GB payments. If that was made a non-issue, even the cheapest studs still cost ~50sb, maybe 25 with a 50% discount. That cost would really start to rack up with the amount of breeding you’d normally do. Maybe a way to do this would be to have a set king, exactly like normal in terms of breeding and retirement, except that the king could be patrolled (with a lower chance of gaining stats from patrolling?), and the ability to play as a specific other pridemember that would have a 15-16y retirement cooldown? I don’t know how breeding the active pridemember would work. Maybe she would just function as if she isn’t nested until the final day of her pregnancy (so you can have a nest “set up” for her, sort of, that she can use when she actually gives birth but otherwise wouldn’t use so you could explore with her as normal?). Hunting/acting as broodmother would be really complicated; not sure if she should be able to do either and I’m leaning towards no. The point behind rejecting submale breeding is that submales don’t have retirement cooldowns and can just be switched out whenever so being able to breed freely with them (especially being able to have more than the 2 breeding males possible with a main/side account) would be extremely market-breaking and exploitable. Having a limit of one breedable stud male in the pride, with the current retirement requirements for kings, would not be the same as that- and therefore maybe would be an allowable game mechanic. I do still think this is really a lot for a mechanic that is on the whole not at all necessary and doesn’t have a real point, but that interpretation of it would be possibly feasible at least? 1 player likes this post! Like? |
Aura/Samuel (#208852)
Untitled View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-07-05 00:06:16 |
I don't agree with the suggestion or the arguments behind it I still think everyone should be allowed to make suggestions as it is now since it won't get added if nobody seems interested in it compared to the people who aren't plus if it's way too much work or already rejected the mod team will just close the forum anyway 1 player likes this post! Like? |