Posted by Actual Queens! ( Not lab frogged kings )
Readytest (#431796)

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2023-06-25 19:53:02
So people suggested I make my own topic, so I did! I'm going to place all my Add-ons to making such thing possible as to balance everything out!

So basically what if we could make our lionesses the main lion(ess)? No, I don't mean lab frogging a male lion, I mean a female lioness becoming queen.

Obviously, this needs some work to be plausible.
Issues:

- Without the role of main male, breeding is near impossible without the help of studding, even then it costs SB
- Potential crunchy worm abuse; win a RLC, queen her on your side, and choose "keep king looks" each time you choose a heir.
- questions like "Lionesses can't do anything while nesting, how will this leader work?" And "you can't breed her as much because main males can breed for as much territory they have! What use is this female leader?"
- the fact that 16 years go fast on this game..

...So I propose many rebuttals to fix those issues!

Starting with:

- Sub males are breedable IF there's a queen, even then, they can only breed to the queen.

- If not for that, you can rarely find a wandering stud who'll breed to one or two of your lionesses OR your queen for free. The stud is randomized, and can very, VERY rarely have a mutation.

- You cannot keep a female leader's looks when time comes to choose a heir, BUT you get benefits ( see benefits below )

- your queen in heat can also stud to one's main male

- all text will be readjusted to accommodate for your queen's gender.

- If your queen is nesting, you need to set a temporarily monarch who will lead the pride and such for your queen

- your queen CAN go exploring like kings.

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Potential benefits and nerfs:

Benefits would make some players see having a female leader as a strategy they can use, even though with the things I listed -- an un-utilized mechanic, which those players might call an underrated gem of a mechanic. There's the potential benefits:

+ +50 energy
+ speed based battle moves are more likely to hit ( Charge, pounce, etc. )
+ Heat cooldown reduction ( -10 days or -5 days. )
+ 1-2 extra heats
+ 1 extra sub male slot for Queens reign
+ attack lions for sub male slots
+ The queen may go hunting with the others, or maybe even broodmother! Hunting can be simulated in explore, obviously each step in hunting will take energy.
+ suggest some more if you want!

Beware! There can be nerfs, too! These are in place as to balance out a female leader.

- The extra sub male slot will disappear once the queen's reign is over
- you can ONLY attack for sub male slots as a queen
- Obviously lionesses can't keep looks once the time comes for a heir to be kinged/queened to prevent abuse with crunchy worms.
- Suggest some more if you want!




This suggestion has 3 supports and 90 NO supports.



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peepy (#48100)

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2023-07-07 12:53:20
Everyone knows that the language referring to your leader has been the same since the game was first launched, way before Lab Test Frogs were a thing. No one actually believes it's transphobic... It's just text that aged poorly because of a future decision they didn't even consider at the time.
Saying this as a trans person who's been here since 2014 and whose leader is trans, too.



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Edited on 07/07/23 @ 12:54:28 by peepy (#48100)

Fiery Lioness (#298660)

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Posted on
2023-07-07 12:54:27
I think you might understand after you play lioden for a few more months

Edit: I type kind of slowly



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Edited on 07/07/23 @ 12:55:24 by Fiery Lioness (#298660)

Readytest (#431796)

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Posted on
2023-07-07 12:54:35
Ik, ik, it's just the new players who take it to the extreme and see the game being played and roleplayed as only one way.



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2023-07-07 13:00:12
Last I checked, it is not allowed per Lioden rules to "take it to the extreme", and if anyone rants someone else's king or lioness are "transphobic/misogynistic" because they have a Lab Test Frog equipped, that's 100% reportable to the Moderators. You may play the game the way you enjoy, and what explanations/stories you have for your lions to look that way are only up to you and up to you exclusively; nobody can tell you how to play your game.

The thing with this suggestion is that it just wont be considered. You're relatively new, and you dont yet seem to have the full grasp of how suggestions works here. There are things a suggestion must qualify to, before admins will even consider adding it in game - and, being supported by other users is an important part of them. There are 0 supports with suggestion which means there's overwhelming non-support of that idea; admins will not consider it, and suggesting more "fixes" as it goes will not improve its chances. It needs to be re-made entirely from scratch to reflect the game's mechanics better, and be supported by other players, in order to have a chance to be approved by admins and added into the game. For a small example, I have a suggestion with 1600 supports still not added to the game, SO just bumping/slightly editing a massively disliked idea is, pretty much, just a waste of your time? You may suggest anything you want, sure, but if it is so massively disliked, you're suggesting it for nothing, it wont be added.



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peepy (#48100)

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Posted on
2023-07-07 13:01:23
I hardly think that newbie confusion is worth doing all of this for.



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2023-07-07 13:08:21
If anything, it will produce even more newbie confusion, if there will be 2 "ways" how a king can be a queen, and divide players into camps of who thinks which way is better. If there will be a way to actually make your queen a female, it will produce even more "transphobic/misogynistic" complaints from people, who then might get agressive proving that Lab Test Frog is a "wrong" way and users must only king female cubs if they want a female looking queen. I see more problems with it the more I think about it, TBH.



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Edited on 07/07/23 @ 13:11:38 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

Readytest (#431796)

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2023-07-10 01:41:04
Yes, I agree. Then again the mods cam calm down these flamewars by suspending problematic users and such.

There's also the issue that Sex change is only limited to lions who are under 3 years.



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Readytest (#431796)

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2023-07-10 01:42:38
Plus someone might want to make a lioness their main, but aren't able to because the adult sex changer can't work on lions 3 years or up. And flamewars can be combated by suspending users from using chat at all



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2023-07-10 04:55:04
"Someone might want to make a lioness their main" is also a huge issue here, that will need a lot of limitations if it was made into game. Raffle Lionesses then would be able to be made kings immediately, with no restrictions. That cannot be allowed, and AGAIN it need measures to counter the problems this suggestion produces.
Please. Read my comment about user support needed for the suggestion to be accepted. This suggestion just has 0% chance it will be added to the game, and every commenting user is pointing out at its problems and problems and problems and problems. They cannot ALL be solved like "just brace it". That's just not going to be added in game; the result is not worth all that trouble and issues.
If you want to learn how to make actually successful suggestions that have a chance to be added, you need to learn to listen, when people tell you something is just TOO much of a problem to even bother adding, that means this suggestion needs a huge lot of re-working.



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Edited on 10/07/23 @ 15:48:31 by Mad Hyena (#29080)







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