Posted by Make ALL combo bases year round (200+!!)

Espenfalls ✧ G1
12/15bo Nomad (#127995)

Divine
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-02-10 00:32:10
Edit:

Lioden Devs: If you happen to consider my suggestion, please make it a community vote. I want everyone to be able to weigh in as clearly this topic has many varying opinions. I want everyone to be happy in the end, or at the very least the most amount of people happy.


Why should we consider removing bases like pulsar/temporal/witch/mistletoe from their locked months?

The essence of this post is that I believe month locked bases are harmful to the popularity of a base. Not only that, but month locked combo bases means that the quality of lions with the base tends to be lower outside of the breeding month. Avaliablity of markings and traits on month locked combos tends to be scarce when it comes to breeding only attributes.
Tl:Dr
I want to be able to do my harder projects year round. Having a combo base as the project base is hard enough, a month locked base is even harder! I'm sure other combo breeders can share this sentiment.


Another point I'd also like to make is that Lioden is a breeding game, and I find it a little weird that some bases are locked to 1 month. While some may believe this increases the bases value, I find the value of the base both peaks and falls within the breeding month. Outside of it, the base becomes somewhat undesirable due to how it cannot be passed unless bred to another lion with the exact base. This means that getting the wanted traits onto your lion is super hard unless you put all your effort into one month of breeding! The solution is simple; remove the month lock.

What if the prices go way down? What If the bases lose value or desirability? Won't the market be affected?

Yes.
The short and simple answer is that when any feature is changed the lioden market will be affected. However let me list some facts!

At the time of posting there is:
5 temporals
7 witches
6 pulsars


On the market. Of these lions genetics/bo traits variances are lacking. The reason? The inability to attempt breeding more bo traits onto them reliably! If they were normal combos there would be more variety.

The prices of "common" or "less desirable" lions with the bases will decrease indeed, but that's a good thing! More people will be able to obtain the bases, increase the chance for more beautiful and unique lions feature the bases!

What are some ways we can still keep them unique? I think the feature makes them rare!

That's true! So here are some ideas.

Make the bases weather/time based.
Specifically witch and temporal could easily be combo bases that can only pass to their factors at night.

If we change the bases to this, they would still fell distinct without being locked in 1 month for breeding.

I may be a little bias, but come on. Combo bases are already hard to get. Why make it even HARDER?

Please explain no support!

The best way to support growth and understand in the community and seeing what is wanted/needing is by communicating!

Constructive critism, suggestions, and ideas welcome!



This suggestion has 239 supports and 123 NO supports.



Hrt Icon 4 players like this post! Like?

Edited on 05/07/24 @ 18:44:02 by Espenfalls ✧ G1 13/15bo Khnum (#127995)

Espenfalls ✧ G1
12/15bo Nomad (#127995)

Divine
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-03-13 10:49:32
I believe you misunderstand the purpose of my post ^.^'

Yes, it does only make up a small % of the bases: a VERY popular percentage. However as many in here pointed out the combo bases being locked to a specific month actually hurts their value and makes them even less desirable.

Secondly if the market is already bad, I doubt unlocking a small amount of bases will break it more than it already is. Making the bases year round would just mean that more prettier versions of lions with said bases would be avaliable. There's nothing I personally can do to fix the market, but I can make it a bit better by making price of apps go up by suggesting we unlock combo bases that are month locked.

Thirdly, the prices of month locked combos are ALREADY down? Unless it's a rlc clone or high bo they're incredibly cheap no matter what. Why? Because no one wants to pay for a potato, especiallyone they cant even get to pass without either having a king with the base or studding to one with the base (for a.5% chance of passing). Unlocking these bases would mean more people can breed for high BO versions that WOULD sell well despite everything.
(And for reference, any combo or BO base sells better with more BO traits, but you can't get more bo traits if you can't even breed the base)

However I don't think I'll change your mind, as you've been ignoring my points and others points entirely so I'm just going to agree to disagree <3



Hrt Icon 1 player likes this post! Like?

𐂂 Neon Genesis
𐂂 (#164933)

Maneater
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-03-13 10:53:22
Exactly. Agree to disagree :) as a combo breeder who watched yearlies tank, the minor drop in locked combos is a hell of a lot better than every combo cub selling for under 10gb, often under 5gb in many cases regardless of heritage.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Bailey [G4 2xRos ] (#440407)

Maneater
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-03-13 10:59:53
maybe they could be unlocked for a few months instead of only one ? maybe this could keep them rare but not impossible?



Hrt Icon 1 player likes this post! Like?

Espenfalls ✧ G1
12/15bo Nomad (#127995)

Divine
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-03-13 11:01:14
Yeah! Someone suggested season's (3 months per base) in the thread ^.^



Hrt Icon 2 players like this post! Like?

🐍𝚩𝐚𝐢𝐳
𝐡𝐮™ (#454315)


View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-03-13 11:18:11
Like Witch could be exclusive to September, October, and November instead of just October, it wouldn’t take from the bases theme since October is in the middle!



Hrt Icon 2 players like this post! Like?

Espenfalls ✧ G1
12/15bo Nomad (#127995)

Divine
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-03-13 13:08:25
I'd take ANY changes, just don't restrict several bases to 1 month is all I ask.



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

nebula/ferrous 💫 (#434371)

Toxic
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-03-13 13:42:22
maybe at the very least once a new month locked base is released the old one is free to breed whenever
(still don't like month locks though)

like when constellation's released we can get pulsar
and since we have witch we can get temporal

not an idea solution but yeah

poor mistletoe



Hrt Icon 1 player likes this post! Like?

🐍𝚩𝐚𝐢𝐳
𝐡𝐮™ (#454315)


View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-03-13 14:07:42
Wait Constellation is month locked? Fuck that



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

nebula/ferrous 💫 (#434371)

Toxic
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-03-13 14:08:35
not a definite lock, but they said "july's new combo" so probably



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

🐍𝚩𝐚𝐢𝐳
𝐡𝐮™ (#454315)


View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-03-13 14:10:41
If it is I’m not breeding it, gorgeous but high maintenance



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Crimson| Jellyfish (#142304)

Vicious
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-03-13 20:28:32
I support, but I think it still should be balanced by increasing the possibility to obtain them during their month, then make it very rare/specific to get it outside the month without being locked to having the base. I understand why they are the way they are, but it sucks when a base is so unobtainable sans one month of the year. It's a waste of a base and opportunity to customize some really awesome lions, I think.


Edit// what others above me have said basically :b balance is crucial imo to keep these bases something to work towards and hypeworthy but more accessible.



Hrt Icon 4 players like this post! Like?


Edited on 13/03/24 @ 20:30:32 by Crimson| G7 Celestial Tobi (#142304)

🐍𝚩𝐚𝐢𝐳
𝐡𝐮™ (#454315)


View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-03-13 20:30:45
Yes, like the albino cub challenge!



Hrt Icon 0 players like this post! Like?

Jewel Wildmoon (#127341)

Deathlord of the Jungle
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-03-13 22:00:29
Not completely sure how I feel about this because, on one hand, I would prefer the challenge being there and on the other hand, I can understand where everyone is coming from regarding it not really being worth it if you're looking to sell them. I can definitely relate to that since I struggle trying to get Hoarfrosts born, despite it only being season and time-locked.

I think a good compromise for both sides is if the devs could introduce new combo bases that can be bred from the month-locked combo bases. That way, at least they'll still be desirable outside of their assigned months. Also, the fact that they'll be derived from already hard-to-breed bases may make them be fairly valuable despite being able to be bred year-round.



Hrt Icon 2 players like this post! Like?

Nasalstrip (#235639)

Monster Slayer
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-03-14 09:31:08
Having stuff thats hard to get is what makes games fun.



Hrt Icon 1 player likes this post! Like?

Espenfalls ✧ G1
12/15bo Nomad (#127995)

Divine
View Forum Posts


Posted on
2024-03-14 09:33:05
As explained, combo bases are already hard. Being impossible vs. Being hard is the argument in which this entire post stands on ^.^



Hrt Icon 1 player likes this post! Like?







Memory Used: 630.89 KB - Queries: 2 - Query Time: 0.00058 - Total Time: 0.00446s