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| Posted by | Make ALL combo bases year round (200+!!) |
 Espenfalls โง G1 12/15bo Nomad (#127995) Divine View Forum Posts  Posted on 2024-02-10 00:32:10 |
Edit: Lioden Devs: If you happen to consider my suggestion, please make it a community vote. I want everyone to be able to weigh in as clearly this topic has many varying opinions. I want everyone to be happy in the end, or at the very least the most amount of people happy. Why should we consider removing bases like pulsar/temporal/witch/mistletoe from their locked months? The essence of this post is that I believe month locked bases are harmful to the popularity of a base. Not only that, but month locked combo bases means that the quality of lions with the base tends to be lower outside of the breeding month. Avaliablity of markings and traits on month locked combos tends to be scarce when it comes to breeding only attributes. Tl:Dr I want to be able to do my harder projects year round. Having a combo base as the project base is hard enough, a month locked base is even harder! I'm sure other combo breeders can share this sentiment. Another point I'd also like to make is that Lioden is a breeding game, and I find it a little weird that some bases are locked to 1 month. While some may believe this increases the bases value, I find the value of the base both peaks and falls within the breeding month. Outside of it, the base becomes somewhat undesirable due to how it cannot be passed unless bred to another lion with the exact base. This means that getting the wanted traits onto your lion is super hard unless you put all your effort into one month of breeding! The solution is simple; remove the month lock. What if the prices go way down? What If the bases lose value or desirability? Won't the market be affected? Yes. The short and simple answer is that when any feature is changed the lioden market will be affected. However let me list some facts! At the time of posting there is: 5 temporals 7 witches 6 pulsars On the market. Of these lions genetics/bo traits variances are lacking. The reason? The inability to attempt breeding more bo traits onto them reliably! If they were normal combos there would be more variety. The prices of "common" or "less desirable" lions with the bases will decrease indeed, but that's a good thing! More people will be able to obtain the bases, increase the chance for more beautiful and unique lions feature the bases! What are some ways we can still keep them unique? I think the feature makes them rare! That's true! So here are some ideas. Make the bases weather/time based. Specifically witch and temporal could easily be combo bases that can only pass to their factors at night. If we change the bases to this, they would still fell distinct without being locked in 1 month for breeding. I may be a little bias, but come on. Combo bases are already hard to get. Why make it even HARDER? Please explain no support! The best way to support growth and understand in the community and seeing what is wanted/needing is by communicating! Constructive critism, suggestions, and ideas welcome! |
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๐๐ฉ๐๐ข๐ณ ๐ก๐ฎ™ (#454315) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-14 09:41:39 |
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Espenfalls โง G1 12/15bo Nomad (#127995) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-14 09:45:47 |
I genuinely hope if my post is considered, they make it a poll with multiple options. These are the suggestions I see most often that I think should be included if it was a poll: 1. Make it seasonal (3 months) 2. Make it year round but with a higher chance to pass within the month of October 3. Make it so the older month locked bases get retired and become normal combos, and make it so the new combo bases stay month locked until another combo base is made for that month. 4. Make it only passable to certain factors outside of October. (Example: now you can breed for witch with any of its factors, but 1 parent still needs to be a witch/pulsar/temporal/mistletoe. Or something similar.) Preferably they'd just do away with the feature entirely, however, compromise is never a bad thing.  5 players like this post! Like?Edited on 14/03/24 @ 09:46:43 by Espenfalls โง 9x Seal DR 1.9k (#127995) |
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โmoonlessโ (#234246)
Unholy View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-18 09:59:00 |
I fully support This is my second year I'm breeding for Pulsar on my side account. Last year I started to collect Prunes and Anjeers in February and had around 50 at the start of July. Just to only manage to breed A SINGLE Pulsar with the right 5BO traits I wanted. And then July was already over, and all I was left with was an army of useless Prune/Anjeer lions. It's just not enough time, not with the large time scale Lioden operates. This year I set an even higher goal and I'm already dreading that MONTHS of prep work will go down the drain. I know it's usual on Lioden to wait for several months but an entire year?? For another disappointment? That's just torture, not a challenge. When Constellation was announced I was really excited, finally a combo base for Leonid! I've been a Leonid breeder for years now and even tho I hesitate to king a Combo I was looking forward to it. Now that there's the possibility it's gonna be month locked? Instand turn off. I will still look forward to breed it during July, but that's about it. 2 players like this post! Like?Edited on 18/03/24 @ 10:08:41 by โmoonlessโ (#234246) |
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Equagga|G2 Vagabond Splash (#105402) 
Punk View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-29 04:24:59 |
No support, not for a flat change or switch to time related conditions, for a couple reasons. 1: If you don't have a shiny BO base king, switching to an app base that's a factor for a month-exclusive combo during that month is one of the only ways to get studdings in today's market that's so biased towards BO traits. Year round availability will decrease the usefulness of those app factor bases because there will no longer be so many people breeding for the combo at once and thus, kings that have very few BO marks/eyes/etc will still not get many studs as those that have a factor base -and- BO traits won't be running out of slots due to super-high demand, which is currently what happens and makes base changing for those months worth it. 2: I hate day/night and seasonal exclusives- you are entirely reliant on the stud owner clicking breed at the right time and there's no way of knowing if they did or not, so when your could-be-a-combo breedings don't produce one, you just have to hope it's the RNG at work and you didn't waste a stud fee because someone forgot to check your request's note. That said, I'd support bumping the production/pass rate of month-exclusive combos within their month. Make it more fun and rewarding for people trying to breed them without really changing how it affects being and using a stud for the base, plus I don't think just say, doubling or tripling the rate would do much damage to the market for them, since as it is, it's niche in the year-round scheme of things. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Espenfalls โง G1 12/15bo Nomad (#127995) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-29 09:40:43 |
Hello! I can see where you are coming from, however day/night exclusives are still WAY more accessible than a base available for 30 days. As to the market, the only thing that would be affected is that low bo/inbred lions with the bases would become cheap. As noted in my suggestion, what even is on the market is NOT being sold whatsoever, or being sold at drastically low or high prices (and the only high quality lions being sold with these month locked combos is RLC's, which might be nice for some but not everyone wants to have a clone!) Having month locked combos makes no logistical sense and unlocking them wouldn't affect as much as people would assume (at least, not as many BAD effects.) On TC at this moment there are a few witches and temporals, a few I recognize from being posted back in *november* and seeing how they slowly become lower and lower in price because there is no demand for something you cannot even breed. Again, this suggestion even if people disagree with it would be beneficial for the majority of people, and wouldn't really affect those who aren't already spending tons of money just to keep a base alive outside of it's breeding month. (In fact, like I outlined, more people would be able to PROFIT from the base by selling the base apps, and actually being able to obtain the bases to sell. Whats the purpose of having a lion being WORTH 100gb if no one will buy it for 100gb? It'd be better to make them cheaper even if they became more common, because hey at least if it was common it MIGHT sell for 10gb vs NEVER selling for 100gb) It might not seem like a big deal since there is only 5 combos under month lock, but on the other hand why lock out 5 bases at all? It seems unneeded, in fact its only purpose is to punish the player for enjoying the base in my opinion. 2 players like this post! Like? |
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๐๐ฉ๐๐ข๐ณ ๐ก๐ฎ™ (#454315) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-29 09:45:22 |
The season based combo lock wouldnโt be dependent on the stud breeding time unless youโre trying for it on the last day of the season, the day/night thing is annoying yes but for seasons the time the stud breeds is a non issue. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Terrinthia [G1, semi-frozen] (#97101)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-29 09:56:35 |
Getting sold out of stud requests for 1 full month is 60-75 stud requests, while selling an average of 5 stud requests each week year round (5ร52) would be 260. If the player changes their base during October, December, and July and sells out all their slots each time, they're just getting 180-225 stud requests from that. This presumes that they have no stud activity outside of those months, admittedly. But studding isn't really a financial goldmine in most cases to be honest. Back in October 2023 people were finding chased Shard lionesses in explore because it wasn't worth it to keep them around for long breeding cooldowns as their next heats would be past the end of October, rendering them basically worthless until the following October. It would be nice to see some more apps retain value throughout the year. 3 players like this post! Like? |
Mad Hyena (#29080)
Necromancer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-04-02 12:41:42 |
Making combo bases year-round wont decrease the demand for app bases - on the contrary, it will Increase it. Why? Because then the demand for them will spike not during a specific month, but every time their conditions are met. If the base is Dry Season Night locked, then every dry season will have an increase in stud requests for users with the following bases. It will also improve the values and sales of the apps needed for those breedings - every matching criteria time window, there will be demand for changing studs/females into fitting bases to try breeding them. The demand for both studs and applicators used in these combo base breedings will improve from being available year-round. I think cub sales will also improve. Selling ten cubs for 10 GB each is better than trying to sell one 100 GB cub and failing because its just too hard to breed out of season. Individual cub prices will drop, yes - but overall sales will get an increase, because if they wont be impossible to breed down, demand for them will be greater than for those high priced, but barely passable cubs. 5 players like this post! Like?Edited on 02/04/24 @ 12:44:15 by Mad Hyena (#29080) |
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Violet | G1 colorbomb (#251592) Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-04-18 18:10:22 |
I honestly don't support this. I think it's awesome to have these month locked bases, especially cause when they are bred it's such an exciting moment for the breeder! Kind of like scoring a mutated cub (: we have quite a few combo bases, but I'm sorry that I can't truly support this. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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nebula/ferrous ๐ซ (#434371)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-04-18 18:28:52 |
it wouldn't be so bad if combos had a higher chance at appearing but the chances are so absurdly low, it's pointless i bred a first gen and i still haven't bred a combo 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Midthedragoness (she/her) (#41009)
Unholy View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-04-21 09:46:28 |
I can see why others are torn, I have a Temporal queen myself. I do like the exclusivity/rarity the month lock gives the base, but that's about all I like with the month lock. I came up with a plan to make my queen have a few more breed only traits, however it sucks having to maintain breeding specific traits onto lions for a real life year. Last year, I went away on holiday during October and wasn't able to fit in many breedings. The previous year, after my queen was born, I attempted to get another Temporal, with many breedings over the course of 2-3 weeks, there wasn't another temporal born. It is incredibly hard to get specific traits onto month locked bases, and I guarantee if there are lions that have that base and the traits you're after, it's probably not going to be worth the 100GB+ to buy the lion and attempt to breed your desired lion. I support, it is incredibly draining to try and keep up projects where you can really only breed the lion you're after for one month out of an entire year. 5 players like this post! Like? |
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Espenfalls โง G1 12/15bo Nomad (#127995) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-04-21 10:20:29 |
As someone who made this post due to my own full bo witch project that I've since abandoned due to how difficult it would be to get those traits onto the desired base within the time frames we are given, I couldn't relate harder to what you're saying. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Ajax ๐ฉธ (#226800)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-07-17 13:22:52 |
I will always support this. There is zero point to the month-specific combos and it makes the game less enjoyable. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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