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| Posted by | Make ALL combo bases year round (200+!!) |
 Espenfalls ✧ G1 12/15bo Nomad (#127995) Divine View Forum Posts  Posted on 2024-02-10 00:32:10 |
Edit: Lioden Devs: If you happen to consider my suggestion, please make it a community vote. I want everyone to be able to weigh in as clearly this topic has many varying opinions. I want everyone to be happy in the end, or at the very least the most amount of people happy. Why should we consider removing bases like pulsar/temporal/witch/mistletoe from their locked months? The essence of this post is that I believe month locked bases are harmful to the popularity of a base. Not only that, but month locked combo bases means that the quality of lions with the base tends to be lower outside of the breeding month. Avaliablity of markings and traits on month locked combos tends to be scarce when it comes to breeding only attributes. Tl:Dr I want to be able to do my harder projects year round. Having a combo base as the project base is hard enough, a month locked base is even harder! I'm sure other combo breeders can share this sentiment. Another point I'd also like to make is that Lioden is a breeding game, and I find it a little weird that some bases are locked to 1 month. While some may believe this increases the bases value, I find the value of the base both peaks and falls within the breeding month. Outside of it, the base becomes somewhat undesirable due to how it cannot be passed unless bred to another lion with the exact base. This means that getting the wanted traits onto your lion is super hard unless you put all your effort into one month of breeding! The solution is simple; remove the month lock. What if the prices go way down? What If the bases lose value or desirability? Won't the market be affected? Yes. The short and simple answer is that when any feature is changed the lioden market will be affected. However let me list some facts! At the time of posting there is: 5 temporals 7 witches 6 pulsars On the market. Of these lions genetics/bo traits variances are lacking. The reason? The inability to attempt breeding more bo traits onto them reliably! If they were normal combos there would be more variety. The prices of "common" or "less desirable" lions with the bases will decrease indeed, but that's a good thing! More people will be able to obtain the bases, increase the chance for more beautiful and unique lions feature the bases! What are some ways we can still keep them unique? I think the feature makes them rare! That's true! So here are some ideas. Make the bases weather/time based. Specifically witch and temporal could easily be combo bases that can only pass to their factors at night. If we change the bases to this, they would still fell distinct without being locked in 1 month for breeding. I may be a little bias, but come on. Combo bases are already hard to get. Why make it even HARDER? Please explain no support! The best way to support growth and understand in the community and seeing what is wanted/needing is by communicating! Constructive critism, suggestions, and ideas welcome! |
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˚ʚ🩷ɞ˚ tawny | 12BO Chatreux (#254590) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-18 00:12:33 |
leon highlighted my main problem with these bases very well. When something gets TOO hard to breed, it loses a LOT of selling power. Say you were to breed a witch base outside of october and want to sell it. You then have 2 options: 1. Price it at what it's worth, but with a very low chance of it getting bought (because nobody wants to take the risk to breed more witches) 2. Price it below what it is worth and lose money Not very fun options. To make these bases valuable and desirable, they need to be reasonably feasible to obtain by the average player.  3 players like this post! Like?Edited on 18/02/24 @ 00:12:52 by ˚ʚ♡ɞ˚ tawnTawn (#254590) |
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Espenfalls ✧ G1 12/15bo Nomad (#127995) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-18 13:09:41 |
So eloquently put! My point exactly. They loose value if they're too hard to get, not vise versa. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Ezzi!! (#339414)
Confused View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-22 16:33:04 |
I do not support; while it would be nice to have the month locked bases be available year round- some of them (using witch as the example) are fit for a specific theme, like Halloween to witch. There's plenty of other bases available that are quite rare that no one breeds too. Plus, in my opinion, having a base with a designated month is probably not the worst for having something to look forward to. If all the month locked bases were unlocked them it also takes a little fun and excitement out of it when you do breed a combo base. But to counter how rare it is, having two combos breed together should give a vastly bigger chance to produce a combo offspring. That would help the lack of variety among the combo bases. 4 players like this post! Like? |
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Zimrah -G2 Striped Ice (#94684) Amorous View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-22 16:35:16 |
Yeah, I am not normally a big fan of making things easier to obtain in this game (because a lot of the things players ask for, especially newer players, can and do tank the economy) but I support this one and I DON'T think it would tank the prices of anything because these are so hard to get that it's just so specialized and niche... I had a temporal king on my side and thought that would be fantastic, and he rarely got any stud requests outside of the month... because there were very few temporal ladies out there and no one else was going to bother breeding with no chance of getting the base. I realized then that as much as I loved the base it didn't even make sense to have one up for stud... 4 players like this post! Like?Edited on 22/02/24 @ 17:05:29 by Zimrah -G1 Ebony Striped (#94684) |
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ThatLastWolf (#420575)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-22 16:36:34 |
No reason to not support as others have said. It’s so annoying when those lions are just wasting away in the trading center, or being bought a EXTREMELY high prices. Like you said, it would be cool if they were tied to weather/time of day, because then there would be some amount of challenge. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Espenfalls ✧ G1 12/15bo Nomad (#127995) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-22 16:43:02 |
@339414 I totally get that! However like my suggestion mentions, the locking of bases into specific months makes it so those bases are actually far less popular, and while I would love to see any improvement made I don't think just increasing the chance would fix anything. The point of Lioden, the central focus, is to be a breeding game. If you can't even breed what you want without waiting 11 months is it even worth breeding it anymore? Especially for people like me with complicated projects involving the bases. It's not "fun and exciting" when you have to cram all your plans into 30 days. Also combo breeding is notoriously hard, even WITHOUT the added month locks. Its always exciting to get a combo base. Restricting it to one month just makes it so you stress over making it pass, which imo isn't enjoyable. As to the argument of "seasonal bases should stay in their season", Snowflake can be bred year round during wet season, but snow is strictly something that happens during the winter months of the year. There is also PLENTY of themed bases that can be bred outside of their seasonal months. ^.^ 3 players like this post! Like?Edited on 22/02/24 @ 16:46:57 by Espenfalls ✧ 9x Seal 1.9k (#127995) |
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Espenfalls ✧ G1 12/15bo Nomad (#127995) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-22 16:54:23 |
Zimrah - I recently retired my witch for similar reasons. I adore the base but it's not worth keeping as a king if it's restricted. I hope Lioden hears the pleas of the combo breeding community and unlocks the bases. Sometimes change is hard or scary, especially for this game and it's ever failing economy. However I don't think this specific thing will affect much of anything. The people who benefit will benefit and those who don't care won't inadvertently affected by it. It's literally an everyone wins situation. Besides it's not like everyone is suddenly going to mass breed combos immediately- again, notoriously hard to get to pass and super expensive to upkeep big projects. If anything, all the base apps required for month locked combos would go up in price boosting the economy. 6 players like this post! Like? |
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+.Twisted~Archer.+ (#448904)
Merciful View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 09:14:46 |
Support most definitely. I love the witch base. I have an obsession. But 3 times I have used a crunchy and spent over 50gb on breeding items for 2 fails. And I only sold it for 40gb. I honestly think the month lock makes people not want to buy them, because they are so expensive to breed. Also the fact that since the month lock, Its harder to find G1 and clean studs for when I try to clone mine. It's unfair :(! I honestly tried so hard to combo breed but I had 0 luck, and on 31 days + my lionesses cooldowns to breed a witch. It was October 31st and I bought a witch for 150gb. I can't sell mine for the same price anymore since it's so damn expensive to breed. Definitely got my vote. 3 players like this post! Like?Edited on 12/03/24 @ 09:21:47 by +.Twisted~Archer.+ Giving up (#448904) |
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nebula/ferrous 💫 (#434371)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-13 08:41:39 |
people that say it makes them more valuable are wrong. witch is different because it's new, but it probably won't be too long before it loses its value. i bought a clean mistletoe for 4 gb. i saw a young pulsar for like 5 gb the other day. why so cheap? dealing with them outside of their months is just too difficult, especially considering the combo passrate is just so low. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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𐂂 Neon Genesis 𐂂 (#164933) Maneater View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-13 08:44:24 |
No support. Month locks add to the challenge. Challenge is fun. Plus, plenty of bases ARE year round. Leave a few to be locked, very few are anyways. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 13/03/24 @ 08:45:25 by 𐂂 Kurloz Makara 𐂂 (#164933) |
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Terrinthia [G1, semi-frozen] (#97101) 
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-13 09:06:56 |
Challenge =/= fun. Not saying that nothing should be challenging, but month locking bases feels like more of a restriction than a challenge. I personally felt stressed trying to breed a single witch during October without breaking my bank, and I still spent way more than I wanted to. And I didn't get anything to show for it. It really screws over players who are busier IRL during those months and can't make time to attempt to breed the bases they may really enjoy. 2 players like this post! Like? |
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𐂂 Neon Genesis 𐂂 (#164933) Maneater View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-13 09:15:11 |
90% of bases are year round. Why try to restrict everything to be that way? Personally, I think we need more month-locked bases instead of losing the few that we have. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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🐍𝚩𝐚𝐢𝐳 𝐡𝐮™ (#454315) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-13 09:16:23 |
Month locking feels extreme, season locking maybe, but one month where a base can be bred feels extreme 3 players like this post! Like? |
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Espenfalls ✧ G1 12/15bo Nomad (#127995) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-13 10:26:15 |
@Kurloz Makara Hello! Like mentioned several times by myself and others in this forum, the reason month locked bases aren't good is because: 1. Due to the month locked bases, their prices are always super low or super high. This is because there is 0 demand for something you can't breed, or can't breed unless you have a specific paring. 2. It makes the game needlessly difficult, and purposefully locks people out of a core feature. (Lioden is a breeding game, why lock out some of the bases to 1 month?) Combos are already hard to get by default. 3. There isn't anything fun about waiting a whole year to breed a combo, have to stress about spending thousands of gb, and then get nothing. When the month is over you're left with tons of lions with changed bases and no use for them! 4. The economy would be BOOSTED by making these combos year round. All the base apps required for breeding would go up in price. The complaint that it's fun and challenging so it should stay is null because it's not fun or challenging, is just stressful and excessive. Breeding combos by default is challenging and fun; being unable to breed your favorite base 11 months out of the year isn't. Not to mention the only reason the combo bases are so cheap is likely because there isn't good genetics avaliable. That's because no one can breed for better genetics without already having 2 lions with the base. If these combos were year round prices would steadily go up as project breeders get BO traits onto the combos! Several people have posted compromises, and I'm honestly willing to have any reasonable change. We can still keep them challenging by having them weather/time restricted, or having them for 3 months each instead of 1. Keeping them locked benefits 0 people, unlocking them will benefit most. 3 players like this post! Like? |
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𐂂 Neon Genesis 𐂂 (#164933) Maneater View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-13 10:31:53 |
"It makes the game needlessly difficult" it's not even 10% of the available bases. It neither adds a needlessly difficulty nor locks out a core feature. There's dozens of other bases to be bred year round. The space between month-combos is a good time to then start prepping for the month, adding a fun challenge. The combo worth and factor worth would still end up going down. Hell, I breed Citrine, Black Rose, and Soul when it's not the season for combos, and both the factors for them and the lions with the bases hardly sell for a decent price. Make em year round and they'll just drop like every other combo base. Unless the base is new, it's pretty much worthless on the market. Month-locked bases are the only ones that keep a decent value, it's almost not worth breeding the year-round combos even with the miserable drop rates. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 13/03/24 @ 10:44:41 by 𐂂 Kurloz Makara 𐂂 (#164933) |
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