Posted by The Sand Pit: Decor Accessibility Solution (+210)

coolio 🍄┃haze (#149374)


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2024-02-21 22:54:48


dry season decor shop

Here's the situation. I love a lot of the decor in this game. In particular, I love the environmental decor. Picking out the perfect plants and layering them to create the perfect scene. It's the best! But here's the issue. All these perfect plants I pick out? Yeah, I can't actually use any of them. That's because a large amount of (and arguably the best) environmental decor gets locked behind minigames. In particular, Reptile Roundup and Whack a Snake. Whack a Snake is more egregious than Reptile Roundup, but they're both not great.

See, very few people play Reptile Roundup consistently. And when you factor in the fact you have to choose between a wide range of levels, and you can get a rock after you score 100 points, the actual amount of each specific Reptile Roundup decor entering the game is very limited. And Whack a Snake? Well, no one plays Whack a Snake. Because it sucks. There is so much good decor in the prize pool, but actually playing and getting that score is not only extremely difficult, but deals what I believe to be genuine mental damage. To show you what I mean, here's a Whack a Snake vs Event shop decor comparison



that's 283 vs 9265 copies in game

Well maybe I could still manage to buy a copy...




Nope! See searching for any Whack a Snake decor is almost certain to return no results. And Reptile Roundup may have some on branches, but often for prices that make me want to just pick a different, slightly lamer plant.

So what's my solution? The Sand Pit. I'm not entirely married to the idea of it being dry season-locked, but I figured it would be easy to just suggest it as the sister to the Flood Pit. This mischievous little cat scavenges and finds plants to bury in the sand for later. And sell to us! The Sand Pit can include the following:

- Reptile Roundup backgrounds and decors
- Serengetti shuffle backgrounds and decors
- Whack a Snake backgrounds and decors
- New, exclusive eye/skin/marking applicators and decors

Here's a brief mock-up of it:

(ideally we would have a sand cat but im working with what i got ok)

*edit: the prices shown are not concrete values, they are simply the Flood Pit’s pricing scheme. additionally, the sand pit could take its own currency similar to the gorilla enclave. potential mechanic: playing any minigame awards you “sand dollars”, perhaps a finite amount once a day per game regardless of score. these sand dollars are the currency of the sand pit


If you're worried about this shop "devaluing" these exclusive decors and backgrounds. Fret not! As I said before, so many of these decors never even get sold, so they already have no value. But more seriously, this would have such a wide pool of decor that there would still be motivation to play their respective mini games if you wanted something more specific




This suggestion has 236 supports and 15 NO supports.



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Edited on 05/09/24 @ 09:47:28 by coolio 🍄┃maziwa (#149374)

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Posted on
2024-02-22 16:08:22
Ah. I cannot play RR to save my life :')



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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Posted on
2024-02-22 16:08:28
Ye, there's suggestion for Liomemo to get prizes, but none were added yet - so nobody plays it, no reason to.

coolie - hint hint - trade your extra zebra hearts for other game stuffs. That's why more than one game exists - so you can swap stuff you got a lot of from a game you're good at, for stuff from other games that you want that you're not so good at. If you have lots of zebra hearts, there they are your tickets to afford yourself the blooming vines!

That is another reason why I think game decors should remain rare. You already CAN afford them, you just need the right playing strategy with the games that you're good at - admins have already given us tools to make those decors possible to get. If they just become easily obtainable for cheap, there will be no reason to make goals and reach for them, to discover strategies that make you successfully reach your goals, etc. Making it cheap and simple shop makes it less of a game, more of a shop purchase - it takes away the fun!



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Edited on 22/02/24 @ 16:12:29 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

🎃🍂 leon (g1
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Posted on
2024-02-22 16:13:42
I bought some WaS decors years ago and have never once used them because I do not want to waste the uses on an item I will be hard-pressed to get again with the game's current state lol. I could afford a copy, but I do not want to afford it because it can be ridiculous.

I appreciate that it's some people's main method of money-making, but I think there is a compromise to be had for people who physically struggle to play it, or just can't period. The example in the post is just based on Flood Pit prices and probably would be altered if for some reason Devs added it. I don't think it's always such a bad thing if something becomes more widespread. It sometimes feels like artificial scarcity with the way WaS is; it's unplayable for most of the people I've spoken to for a multitude of reasons.

I'd be happy if they'd just made WaS more playable for the majority, but this isn't that suggestion.



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🦢 Mocha (#233155)


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Posted on
2024-02-22 18:29:42
I’d much rather buy from a shop than play minigames that are barely compatible/playable on mobile.



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2024-02-22 20:17:42
Whether or not you are an avid player of whack-a-snake or not, I think we can all agree the current game-item market is broken.

[it got deleted because discord is stinky, but just imagine an image of a 3-use fallen mossy log costing 130 or 150 as the only two options - these prices lasted a month until late march when I finally saw cheaper ones listed]
This is a whack-a-snake prize - it is not even in the 1000+ background tier, it is in the 500+ decor tier. But because prizes are random and this game is unplayable or incredibly unfun for most lioden players, there are essentially none being sold or the ones that are being sold are listed for way too high to ever be bought. It just doesn't make sense for decor to be the same price (or at least half the price, which is still too high imo) as staple breeding items like ochre gnawrocks, buffalo scrotums, etc. Especially considering these items only have 3 uses. I have a similar issue with slots being the only source of great tits, since that can cause an important breeding item to cost 20 recently, when it normally costs 8-12.

I have varying degrees of wrist pain depending on the week, some weeks I can play but other weeks it is incredibly painful or just impossible for me. Even when my wrist doesn't hurt, I have a job and class and it's hard to justify playing a game I hate for 30 minutes to maybe win something I want.

I sympathize with the sellers concerned that the sand pit would make them too common, but we need something other than requiring specific games in my opinion. I personally sell mini game decors (from Reptile Roundup, Shuffle, and WaS) as well, and I can tell you from experience that they do not sell often enough to be a reliable source of GB. Most people are not willing to shell out a breeding item equivalent cost for 'premium' decors.
The arcade tokens is also a great idea, but so is increasing sand pit item costs to 1,000-2,500+, having 1-2 decor slots instead of 5 like the flood pit, or having much smaller periods rather than the entire dry period (or a combination of these or other suggestions). I just want something to change about the current game decor pool pricing issues.

Regardless of if game prize pool items are added to the sand pit, I think having new natural decors would be a great addition to a new sister shop to the flood pit. I think a serval, lynx, or caracal base would be fitting here! There's plenty of desert-themed wildlife to base marking, base, and eye apps off for a desert shop :)



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Edited on 28/10/24 @ 13:12:39 by vertigoat 🦤 | x2ros outlaw (#114297)

basil [PARTIALLY
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Posted on
2024-02-22 23:31:05
Interesting, I love the idea of some prizes for Liomemo! Some people might only play for achievement some others not at all and well, it's kinda a wasted effort of the coding bc again, no one plays it. (At least I think no one plays it).



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Posted on
2024-02-25 10:06:59
YES PLEASE the minigame items are so, so good and my ADHD ass cannot manage the amount of focus required to actually get any of them. On top of that, the only (non-CD) mushroom decor in the entire game is locked behind WAS



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Posted on
2024-02-28 06:42:12
I want this so bad, some of these games are so tedious



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123heaven (#108477)

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Posted on
2024-02-28 06:45:10
Quickest support of my life.



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starrcatcher (#251707)

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Posted on
2024-02-28 10:39:32
i love this idea, and the effort you put into this sold me. huge support🙌



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2024-03-23 10:06:09
Plz. It doesn't matter if you're good at one of the mini games, you usually can't trade what you win at one for something from another because... it's usually not for sale anywhere, because it comes from a game other people are also bad at or don't like playing. I'm great at shuffle, but that doesn't make it easier for me to get RR items... I can sell my winnings from that, and then I'm still stuck spending five months waiting for someone to list the stupid little crab I want for sale. Availability is fr the issue.

I like the idea of them costing a currency dropped in addition to normal rewards by all the games. That will help keep them a little exclusive, because you're still not going to be able to buy them outright if you aren't playing any of the mini games. For people who do make a chunk of their cash selling game prizes, it'll probably widen what they can sell moreso than destroy their section of the market, especially since they'll be able to choose in-demand items instead of yet another copy of falling petals.

Maybe to explain the animal decor as well as plants being available, our shopkeep could be catching the animals attracted to his stash of greens? Because while I'm with you on too many of the good plants being unavailable, the animal decor is just as hard to find

Edited to add another thought re: keeping things a little exclusive, maybe you can only purchase one of each item of the five in the shop, and the shop can only be refreshed once per dry season? I think it would be even better if the refresh was only available if you hadn't purchased anything yet, but I'm not sure how coding that would work.
(Refresh would come in the form of a 'Hm... Do you have anything else?' button you are free to select at any time under the items, and after selection, a 'You've seen all the items the shopkeep wanted to offer you! Come again next dry season' banner-message thing instead.)
5-10 items per dry season is a lot, and so I think if the shop takes currency earned from all mini games, the prices and winnings of currency should be calculated such that the price of one high score decor is equal to about what you could earn in a week of playing whatever game you're good at, the idea being if there's an expensive item you love in your offerings you can grind for it before the shop closes. Ex. if scoring in the top tier of SS rewards 9-10 sand dollars, then a Rau Quagga should be 100 sand dollars. Backgrounds could be a little more-- most people have a side to roll on a few times if they've really gotta have something and are starting the dry season with no currency at all.



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Edited on 23/03/24 @ 16:22:45 by E-quagga|G4 Moss Agate Primal (#105402)

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Posted on
2024-03-23 15:27:18
Oh my GOD! I cannot put into words how much we need something like this. So I'll just go cry because now I have my hopes up and I want it SO BAD. It's decors for god's sake... they shouldn't be as unavailable as they are now

Edit

Also I just read all of the comments. I like the idea with tokens instead of points. Just give us SOMETHING that everyone can do. Better or worse, in their own pace, but everyone CAN. If you're lazy or just don't want to grind tokens - sure, then you have to pay a ridiculous price to get it. But you shouldn't have to pay it just because you physically can't do something no matter how much you want to. I know that is how the world currently works. But it shouldn't be and we can try to do better.

Also...this:
"When someone can't walk we don't say "let's stop making stairs and only make ramps", we put a ramp besides the stairs that way EVERYONE has accessibility"

is just STUPID. You realise that the people who climb stairs also can go up the ramp? So making only the ramp is inclusive enough. Sure you don't have to stop making stairs but with only the ramp there is accessibility for everyone already. Jesus...



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Edited on 23/03/24 @ 16:26:15 by Magnituda [G3 Damu nRLC] (#200075)

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Posted on
2024-04-13 13:49:58
Hard support! I have only ever seen one mossy arch for sale and they were selling it for over 200gb... 2 months now of trying to get hold of it and no luck!



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2024-08-28 13:57:43
Support! I absolutely suck at reptile roundup, my high score is like 50 something lol.

Whack a snake seems simple but so tedious, I played it when I was a newbie but as soon as I figured out what there was to do on the site I gave up. (side topic here) I think a good way to make whack a snake more engaging is to give less lives but lower threshold for the prizes.



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Posted on
2024-09-07 15:39:49
wouldn't this just make the whole point of the mini games totally moot? why does this have so many supports. Yeah the stuff is hard to get but this would ruin the point of mini games.



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