Or just a hide certain marking option, I don't think any of these markings are truly harmful, Mostly just people being dramatic since they don't like how ugly and mass produced they are like that one squiggly one, I don't like it, I have Seizure issues but it's never affected me, Maybe if they moved or something sure it'd mess SOMEBODY who's epileptic up, but it's just a static image. No support.

TLDR: Dont remove, Just hide option,

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I think putting the pitfall onto those already suffering just seems cruel. Its like if you told a burn victim to just not be near a fire they had no control being near. Removing the markings would be much less harmful, especially to new players who dont know about it, but can be affected by it. Imagine if someone got seriously injured because they had a seizure? If it were me, id personally be thinking about suing them, because it's negligible on their part for knowing about its effects yet keeping it in the game anyways.

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@morguez im sorry, but how would you like it if you went through some horrible thing and i said "oh youre just being dramatic. Oh boo hoo stop crying." Huh? Yeah, not fun is it. Be more considerate to those who are suffering, and try to have an open mind on things. Other people are affected by things differently because believe it or not, people are different. Just because *you* arent affected, doesnt mean someone else is.

Imagine if it happened to someone you loved, and we all responded like that while theyre suffering and in the hospital for a major seizure. Imagine if it happened to you. Open your mind on things like this and kaybe youll see your perspective needs a bit of a tweak.

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There is already a marking censor, and Lioden legally covered their asses with their lawyers (as far as I know, anyway). People rioted back then, and the marking censor was the solution. Not the ideal one to many people, but it was. I don't think we're going to get much more than that in 2024.

Plenty of people like the markings, too. They shouldn't have the markings taken away from them. Now, plenty of beloved videos and games have seizure warnings. If Lioden had something like that in a visible area during signup or something, maybe it'd be more suitable. (They might already have a health warning somewhere, but I skimmed the ToS and didn't see anything.)

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Even a small seizure warning and telling people about the marking censor would be better, but i still dont think its enough. Its like how something good can kill people, and just because it doesnt harm some, it doesnt mean the affects arent there. It shouldnt be ignored like it is, because i was talking to some people and they didnt even know the markings caused harm. Thankfully they arent affected by it, but what if they were affected by it, didnt know, and got seriously injured? Thats unfair to someone who just wants to play a silly little lion game.

If they tried harder, i wouldnt be so mad, but they dont try and it seems like they just dont care about the people it affects, which is a decent amount of the player base.

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No support at all; if someone is SO photosensitive that it can cause them serious harm just looking at a static picture, then their internet browsing should be regulated and strictly monitored, to the point of not playing Lioden at all if images it contains can be THAT harmful to your health. One's health is in one's own hands; when you're severely allergic to certain plants, you dont demand of the gardener "remove all X plants from your greenhouse, I want to go in!!" - you simply dont go into that greenhouse.

Marking censor is a working solution, and nothing better can be done there, really. Asking a marking be removed completely is entitled and uncaring to other people - you're not the only one playing the site, other people shouldnt suffer because of your issues. The majority of the site is fine with these markings, there's been a vote, most people voted to keep them.

I would support a general warning when joining the site "This game may contain images triggering photosensitivity", but NOT removing markings completely, that's an overkill.

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They have a marking hider that they dont tell people who suffer about. If someone DOESNT KNOW about the marks, and they DONT KNOW about the marking hider, what the fuck are they supposed to do when they have a seizure because of it. It's inconsiderate to not think of the people suffering. Its like when you take a vaccine. Sure, youd be fine if you got the disease, and you arent affected by the shot, but the reason you take it is because someone else can *not* take it, and would DIE if they got the disease. People die from simple diseases that most people dont because of things out of their control.

If more effort was put in by the mods, i wouldnt be mad and others wouldnt be either, but the mods have shown no care towards those theyve hurt. It is uncaring to those who CANNOT CONTROL THEIR MEDICAL ISSUES to tell them to not try and be happy in life. More empathy is needed here, this has made it clear to me. Would you tell someone to not try and enjoy their life because they were born with something they cant control? Would you? Im genuinely curious now, just to see how little you care about those who are suffering

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https://www.lioden.com/marking-censor.php

You can find it in account settings under where you write your territory description. It's not any more hidden than most of the other settings, thankfully. I have them censored because they strain the fuck out of my eyes. Hurts to look at. So I'm not coming from a place of not being affected at all.

There are over 7000 lions and 300 pages of lions with brawl alone. Some people dig these markings. I hate them and they cause me pain! I use the marking censor and mind my own business. If Lioden wanted to add a health warning, if they hadn't already, that would be cool. But I don't think it's fair to remove the markings for those that like them—and clearly, people do.

Out of curiosity, how would you guys suggest the removal anyway? Entirely strip them from existing lions and delete every applicator in the game? Lions can't pass the marking no matter what and apps are rendered useless? Someone would suffer there, and mods would have to "pay back" the ~75,000 brawl apps alone in the game. They can't really just swipe them and not give anything in return.

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There's caring and there's overkilling. Its like asking "lets destroy all tulips in the park!!" because some people visiting could be allergic to tulips. Just because some people could be harmed by them, that doesnt mean its allright to strip them away from all other people who enjoy them. Its an overkill to completely remove markings other people enjoy, just because someone might be harmed by them. In real life, what do you do when you want to go to a park but cant because there's a plant you're allergic to in it? Do you demand the park owners to remove that plant? Nope, you go to a different park. And you enjoy your life no less from it. Sure, inconvenient, you have to go to another park instead of the first one. But its not stopping you from enjoying your life when you have to do that, its just what medical condition requiers of you.

So do take a moment to stop and think. You cant provide someone care by being uncaring to someone else. It is NOT something simple and small you're asking for - removing a marking does quite much harm to people who enjoy them. You CANNOT provide care for photosensitive people by taking things away from other people.

Lioden is already offering the feature to block markings - removing the markings because some people might not know about it is going WAY too far. I would support raising awareness of that feature, but removing markings entirely is not the way to solve it. Its not a harmless and simple step; its just asking Lioden to only provide YOU care and ignore the fact it will hurt all other players.

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I didn't even want to get into this, but take a breath and read what you wrote. You are being incredibly hostile to other people just trying to make a point and I have no idea what you'd like to achieve with this.

As for the warning talk

This is taken directly from the Terms of service you are prompted with and should read BEFORE you are even able to make an account.

Please try to express yourself calmly and not by attacking other players and the mods

Edit - as for my own opinion
I do understand that this is an issue, but at the same time I feel like lioden did what they needed to do, the warning is there and the option to disable them is too.
I personally hate the markings from a visual standpoint, but there are players who really like them and I respect that. Outright asking for the "removal" of them is really extreme and would make hundreds of players upset.

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Thank you Tez. I did think they had it somewhere, but obviously I'm bad at skimming LOL. Lioden's ToS is short and digestible compared to other sites, and it and the code of conduct are things I would suggest taking a good look at. Don't be like me and skim badly hahah

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Yeah exactly, I understand that we live in an age where terms of service is just a checkbox to click, but I feel like with such dangerous health issues you should make sure to read disclaimers and such.
And yes, I learned my lesson and studied both ToS and CoC carefully, it's not a huge read and can save both our time and the time of the mods

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Im not sure if your directing this at me or not but I’m just showing a side to this, I fully realize that taking them out of the game will just break it and cause more anger and frustration but at the same time maybe putting the warnings in a more obvious spot and not just in the fine print? There are ways to compromise without anyone looking out on the experience. Same with the censorship button, maybe making it known we have one, what it’s for and how to find it? I’ve been playing since 22 and just now found out about this stuff.

Again I’m saying this with respect and want no hate from anyone because both sides bring out valid points.

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It’s your responsibility to cater your own experience on the internet, not everyone else’s. If you don’t like someone, you block them. You don’t demand they get banned because you personally don’t like them. You don’t like a tag on tumblr, you block the tag.

Lioden gave everyone an opportunity to cater their experience and hide the things that are harmful to them.

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Sorry somefreakywriter my comment was directed at Iri (Dae/Daem), because their idea of expressing a point is tell everyone else what a horrible person they are.

I would gladly support a revision of the disclaimer! Putting it on top of TOC or even on the create an account page! I would even say the settings section of your account should be part of the tutorial - all a good compromise!

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