Posted by Perma portal & annual item dump

🗡️ LunarKnight (#151072)


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2024-05-15 19:36:47
Hiya. Since the player boom and what I call the Black Friday MoD fiasco, a lot of stuff hardly sells for what it use to. Mainly lions in general.

I've seen a few suggestions for ways to tie up this issue in a bow. Yes I'm here putting out my 2 cents of a suggestion as well. Lol. Toss spaghetti at a wall and eventually 1 noodle will stick right?

A confirmation popup box is a must to avoid any accidents!


My proposal for lions


I have it as is strictly to prevent folks from breeding more lions specifically for this. The goal is to lower the overall lion population without trashing the chase pool. Like how wolvden has illness only more easier to do. The game has a mass breeding issue as it is already.
There's a age limit specifically for the fodder market in mind. That way it won't be trashed in the process.

what
Adults only and any adult under the age of 14. Doesn't matter if there's a mutation or not. Stats, base, and markings don't matter either. This is to be put in place to help control the overall population only.
(Save the chase pool!)

How
A portal like the celestial one or something like that.

When
Daily

where
In Adventuring under the much dreaded Journey to Vredefort Crater quest banner? Something like that.

Limitations
None. Go wild!

Limitations Reason
This would function similar to that of monkey business only it'll accept any adult lion within the proper age range. The payout is minimal so it can't easily be abused but still functional. Does monkey business have a daily item number limit? Nope. Yet items are more easier to stock up on than lions. (I currently have over 500 full use lion skull burried alone myself.) The July portal has a daily lion limit because the rewards are greater. The limitation was placed to equal out the playing field

Rewards
10 sb a lion.
I will not add to this. It's 10sb per lion only. No shop or any other rewards.

Rewards reason
If you have to turn to a sinkhole you're desperate and it keeps the mass senders in check as well. Also a good chunk of them will most likely be potatoes anyway. Then again beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A common reason why decent lions can be found at fodder price or just not sell even though it's nice looking to the seller.


My proposal for items


I honestly won't be upset if this doesn't pass. I have yet seen a sinkhole suggestion for items in general. Figured this would be a fair start as far as suggestions go. This would be very limited. Not sure if it should be 1 day, 1 month, or 1 week. Consider this a kind of annual cleaning of the hoard for those with more items than they know what to do with.
July already has low GB prices as is which is why I picked that month as a possibility. if anything this might help that part of the month since there will be a increase in SB.

what
Anything you feel like getting rid of. No limit as to what you can add unlike Monkey Business.

How
Maybe a passing celestial being looking to barter?

When
Maybe July. Too frequently might be a pain to code. Plus it's technically conflicting with Monkey Business.

where
In Adventuring under the much dreaded Journey to Vredefort Crater quest banner? Something like that.

Limitations
None. Go wild!

Rewards
5sb a item

Rewards reason
If you have to turn to a sinkhole you're desperate and it keeps the mass senders in check as well. Also a good chunk of them will most likely be stuff you can't sell in Monkey Business.



This suggestion has 157 supports and 13 NO supports.



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Edited on 23/08/24 @ 08:37:17 by 🗡️ LunarKnight [Project King] (#151072)

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2024-05-26 16:13:49
The thing is that actually nice looking lions are being sold as fodder. The meaning of fodder seems to have changed to regular lions that in general aren't selling. It's no longer just plain looking lions from my understanding. This would be a alternative to get more lions off the market so it's less saturated. Those who need beetles asap can use the sink instead of using the TC for quick SB. Less lions on the market will help stabilize it better due to slightly less general competition. The more folks join, the worse it's going ti get. Wolvden has illnesses to help stabilize the wolf population. Lioden has nothing that'll really help the overall population.

Also, most of the chased lions are thought to be potatoes/NCLs. If this was coded into the game it would give folks the option to remove them from the game instead of chasing, killing, or nature reserve. Folks will be more tempted to use it for the payout than the other options and get no payout. Leaving the chased pool more non-potato/NCL saturated.



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2024-05-26 16:39:01
"The thing is that actually nice looking lions are being sold as fodder. The meaning of fodder seems to have changed to regular lions that in general aren't selling. It's no longer just plain looking lions from my understanding. "

That's what I was talking about. Lions that should not be fodder - right now are. But that's a consequence not the root of the prpblem. Because there are too many muties, too many nice looking lions out there. So we need a way to get rid of THOSE. So the market for valueable lions would be less saturated.


But you're right about the NCLs mudding the chase pool. We do indeed need another way than chasing to get rid of them without the use of energy.



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🗡️ LunarKnight (#151072)


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2024-05-26 16:56:41
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That is the main problem. Just because the seller likes the lion doesn't mean everyone else will. I'm not looking for a automatic fix. I'm looking for general lion population management that won't ruin the chase pool. Lions in general aren't selling unless they're being sold at fodder price. Many folks sell nice looking lions in general as fodder for a quick payout. They're more interested in the beetles than the lions actual worth. Give them a automatic payout and there will be less nice looking lions. I use to mass breed for quality lions to sell. I'm talking 6+ marks, decent stats, and low gen. Finally stopped when nothing was selling unless it was fodder price.

As I said somewhere in the replies, the staff will be more likely to code something simple and clean cut than something more complex and can be later abused by the mass breeders. Something like my suggestion would more likely be doable to them. It's like the celestial portal only with 1 payout option and can be used daily without a number limit.



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2024-05-26 17:08:10
When I came to this site from flight rising (this game but with dragons) I was surprised to see how broken the market is. yes on FR it fluctuates, as is the way with anything, but for the most part baby and adult dragons stay in the same price range. the only time it fluctuates drastically is during an event or new breed. even then, its only the dragons. items have a set amount because people base it off their cost in the market place. usually lower than the market place as it wouldn't sell otherwise.
this site has a broken barter and trade system, one that needs a form of reference to continue successfully.

on Flight rising, sending a dragon to the flights deity gives you coin, and bonus coin if you meet the daily bonuses! :D
- I think this would work here, much like how I think you're suggesting.
have daily bonuses to sending a lion/lioness to the nature reserve. (no karma but it still costs energy!) so you can send it in as many times as your king has the energy to do so

EX:
Daily bonuses!
For today only, sending a lion or lioness to the nature reserve that meet this criteria will net bonus riches!
Base: Pewter (grey skin) +100 SB
Mane type: Thick + 20 SB
Marking: Cimmerian Blaze +200 SB
Mutation: Patches(Fissure) + 2 GB

added if you send a cub to the nature reserve you get less than you would if you sent an adult! so a cub would give you 5 SB as an adult would give you 10 SB

so if you have an adult lion who has a thick mane, you'd get 30 SB for completing the daily and sending the male to a nature reserve.

this would cut down on lions and unwanted markings, manes, and the like. you can even add more things like stats or eye color, the few I gave was just for an example. :3



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🗡️ LunarKnight (#151072)


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2024-05-26 17:15:53
I came here from flight rising too! Lol. Back then the market was a lot less obviously broken on here. What made it stick out like a sore thumb was when Lioden was introduced to Tiktok. Then there was a massive player boom. After that the staff changed the Black Friday pool numbers which only made things worse.

Lioden had a mass breeding problem. Whenever there's something new folks will mass breed if possible. The staff try to limit what can be taken advantage of by those who can either afford it or have the room. That's why I made my suggestion how it is. It's a overall failsafe. To try to get folks to remove extra lions from the game. Not breed more just for the payout.



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Noodlers 🍜 (#194223)

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2024-06-26 05:30:13
I think with items, another way to do it would either be to create an actual “destroy” button with items you’re tossing, giving you the choice of throwing it to the tree or destroying it, or, like how you brought up a July shop—have each item be worth one currency in that shop, instead of silver beetles.



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Catherine of Aragon (#215326)

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2024-07-26 14:19:50
I think we also need an adult equivalent to the Gorilla Enclave.

My suggestion, flavorwise, for the "Gorilla Enclave for adult lions" would be that you'd be sending the lionesses to a captive breeding program!

I'm thinking maybe you'd either meet with an anti-poaching dog or a young male lion with a radio collar and he'd say something about how his human friends have noticed that lion populations in the wild are struggling. Each day he'd tell you that his humans are looking for (insert trait here). I imagine it'd function similarly to the Enclave and could maybe have its own rewards shop as well.



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Edited on 26/07/24 @ 14:21:07 by Caitlin (#TeamJons) (#215326)

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2024-07-26 15:13:59
We need something that has no limitation , aside for age, in order to make a dent in the lion population and one that'll last. I also don't want folks breeding even more lions just for a extra shop. That's why I made the suggestion as is. It's main function is managing the adult lion population and nothing more. Now folks probably won't really use it unless they get something out of it. I chose just SB and only 10sb for that purpose. They get something out of it yet can't really take advantage of it as much. Call it a last resort thing besides chasing.



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Roxas🏴‍☠️
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2024-07-27 00:19:39
You can sell those lions for fodder for 10 sb or more. Or you can fodder them yourself

There’s also the nature reserve tab that completely erases the lion you put through it



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🗡️ LunarKnight (#151072)


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2024-07-27 07:22:25
Roxas🏴‍☠️ (#418396)
It also takes energy to do that plus you get nothing back from doing it. If the current options worked there wouldn't be such competition to sell lions and folks wouldn't be complaining about nothing selling.



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Roxas🏴‍☠️
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2024-07-27 14:37:35
In going to vote no, having a portal with an unlimited number of times to send a lion for a reward is never going to pass. They’ll have to make a limit.
And even then idm using energy nature reserving unwanted lions



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🗡️ LunarKnight (#151072)


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2024-07-27 15:57:30
Monkey business doesn't have a limit for items so why would they not pass this? It's easier to stock up on items than it is lions. It's practically pennies per lion just like monkey business for items. Other suggestions are wanting a shop or bigger payouts. The 10sb per lion is fair on both sides. You might not agree with me but others do. If this or something similar gets coded we'll be happy. You can keep doing things your way if it does. ^_^



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2024-08-14 21:10:05
There is roughly 9 lionesses per user on this site. Many of which sit on inactive accounts. I dont really think we have that huge of a problem and i fear how drastically that number would drop if there was an unlimited way to get rid of lions without using energy and being rewarded for it. Lionesses would be foddered just for the heck of it and the market would get so insanely competitive that it might have negative effects instead of positive.



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🗡️ LunarKnight (#151072)


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2024-08-14 22:03:08
10sb would be the reward as stated. Consider it a last resort before chasing. The change caused by my suggestion would be less than what other suggestions I've seen would cause. Those have more appealing rewards compared to mine.



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2024-08-23 08:36:59

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I'm going to chang the title to: Perma portal & annual item dump


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