Posted by Breeding a Koi Heir, Advice Needed!!

KB BaeBee (#479461)

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Posted on
2024-06-28 22:23:38
Hey there friends!

I'm planning my first heir breeding project, and I need some major advice on how to do my best to get what I want outta this. The theme I picked is a Koi Fish!

Here's the clicky of the lion I'd like to sire from my current Main Male : Wardrobe Mockup : The idea is to get the Red Base on the heir and I can buy what I can and build onto that base but my current male is, well... big ole stinky
I'm not sure what NCL's skin bases I should be pairing him with to get the male I actually want.

I appreciate any suggestions/ advice /help on where to start. I know the items I'll just have to buy so I'm not worried about that, but I'm so new to breeding, I could use the help lol.

Update! :

First off… thank you for the replies! Already y’all have been so helpful.
You’ve helped me narrow down what bases and skins I should be looking for, I’ll be keeping track of the advice that suits the project best up here so I’m not losing track over time.

What needs to be bred…
Specifically the Tobiano piebald mutation.
A Red base, straight up just red lol
Red indri
White lace

What needs to be purchased…
Red points (marking app 3GB)
Red cozy (get in February )
Lycaon heavy inverted noctis (get in January)
Paradise eyes (eye changer 3GB)
Transvaal mane (mane changer 5GB)
Might need a Red skin (skin changer 400SB)
Might need a Red mane too (mane color changer 3GB)

I’ll be trying breeding combos with sienna, redwood, and mahogany, blush rose, protea, seth, and windfall. Before that I’ll try breeding piebald mutations from CRB’d lionesses. Hopefully they are male but if I get the Tobiano piebald on a girl I will not hesitate to change genders XD
I think I’ll king a different king before the final Koi king as well, being that big ole stinky is only giving me cream babies >:C

Items I need:
(This list is just for me to keep track of what I collect)

Expression: Delighted (Obtained!)
African Locust Bean Tree
Pussy Ears
Babiana Tail Wrap
Pussy Willow
Dragon Whiskers: White
Draco Whiskers: White (Obtained!)
African Clawed Frog
Locust-Ridden Grass
Windy (Obtained!)

Hypothetical family tree
(for visual aid of my understanding, please correct me if I’m wrong, I probably am)

Cyprese(big ole stinky) + NCL
-> A brown male was bred! Yippee!! Just need to king him when he's grown!
Red medium solid genetics + NCL red medium solid genetics
->
Red base + white lace lioness
->
Red base, 1M + red indri lioness
->
Red, 2M + red cozy lioness
->
Red, 3M + tobiano lioness or NCL
->
Koi Heir, after 5? generations?!
I might give another lions’ tobiano to the king but I kinda wanna be able to say I bred it XD

I’ve just learned of an item called a “crunchy worm” which can be found in the manticora event store. I’ll almost definitely use that during the last couple generations to help with the Tobiano hunt.



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Edited on 09/08/24 @ 19:52:58 by KB BaeBee (#479461)

Sun Pride (#422314)

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Posted on
2024-07-01 07:19:59
Hello! I’d Suggest searching for NCLs with these bases

Common Bases:
⚫️ Sienna
⚫️ Zarafshan
⚫️ Zarasa
⚫️ Zarbanu
⚫️ Asali
⚫️ Mobola
These are more in the Orange/Yellow Side

Custom Bases (via using base changer):
⚫️ Auburn
⚫️ Brown
⚫️ Doubloon
⚫️ Ginger
⚫️ Jacinthe
⚫️ Mahogany
⚫️ Ochre
⚫️ Redwood
⚫️ Rudy
These are all more on the Reddish Side!

As for NCL Markings, You should look for:
⚫️White Nuzzle
it’s the only white marking that covers the body like a Koi fish!

But you could also look for:
⚫️ Any Piebald Mutation
Piebalds will give you a better chance at receiving Koi-Like markings!

Important Info:

Other than that I suggest searching for NCLs that have at LEAST 3 (100% visible) white markings on them ! Due to breeding white markings have a chance of being faded on your cubs as the lineage passes down

I also want to add that Mane Types and Mane colors on lionesses do matter when Breeding, so you might want to watch out for what their mane looks like to avoid buying a Mane Changer for your future heir!

I wish you good luck ^__^!



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KB BaeBee (#479461)

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2024-07-01 08:15:21
That really helps narrow things down, thank you!!! I was previously looking at the huge master list of bases and got so overwhelmed, your list makes that much more manageable!

My next question is about the piebalds. Cause my main concern is getting that red base bred in my lineage but I’m cool buying the markings and customizing the lion a tad bit after. But are the piebalds something I can pay for and add in later or is that something that’s breed-only?



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Sun Pride (#422314)

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2024-07-01 08:30:15
You’re welcome!
Unfortunately the Pieblald mutation is breed only but they aren’t too expensive. Most Cubs and Adolescents Range from 300 to 800 Silvee Beetles while Adults Range from 900 to 2500 Silver Beetles on an average. The good news is that most Piebalds on the market have Red, Yellow & Brown bases as of now!



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KB BaeBee (#479461)

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2024-07-01 09:14:47
Fingers crossed I can find the right piebald!! This is what I get for wanting specifics lmao, should be a nice long breeding project!



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KB BaeBee (#479461)

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2024-07-09 12:39:01
Uh, anyone know how to get Muties on Demand? I saw it in trades but how’d they obtain them from the game?



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Settle{G1 Harleq
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2024-07-09 12:54:50
Usually you can get them from black Friday sales when you buy $50+ worth of GB for piebalds/patches, or in January where you can buy the primal and overgrown Mod from that months event.



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KB BaeBee (#479461)

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2024-07-09 16:24:15
Oh man, seems like breeding will be easier then XD
They were super expensive in trade center! Thanks for explaining it, I understand the price now T^T

I’m really really REALLY wanting a Tobiano piebald, just looked the most “koi” to me out of all of them. I don’t suppose there are any particularly specific match ups that have a higher chance of breeding a Tobiano?



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Settle{G1 Harleq
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2024-07-09 16:57:00
Tobiano x Tobiano should raise your odds a bit as both the mom and dad have a chance of passing it down, though there's not much of a reason to do that since you can always buy a tobiano and then mut rep your king once you have all the markings/base/etc on your king



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KB BaeBee (#479461)

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2024-07-09 17:02:11
Are piebalds something I have to buy from others or are there NCL combos that work too?



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Settle{G1 Harleq
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2024-07-09 17:16:58
Piebalds/patches can only pass if one of the parents has the mutation so you cant use ncls, last time I checked TC they were pretty cheap so I'd just buy one whenever the time comes to mut rep your king.

Looking at your final king I would suggest just trying to get multiple lions with these markings in the correct spot (red indri, white lace, red cozy, and white fawn) and breeding until you can get them all onto one lion, from there if you're set on having the red base or any other base that's BO i'd king a lion with all markings and change their base to something thats in the same base genetic group that can pass the correct base (examples for red would be blush rose, protea, seth, and windfall), and then just mass breed until you get a cub thats matching what youre looking for ^^



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KB BaeBee (#479461)

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2024-07-09 18:33:26
Welp time to get at it then haha thank you for explaining it for me, I’ll most definitely come back with more questions later XD



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KB BaeBee (#479461)

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2024-07-12 08:30:16
Is there a chance that I can breed a piebald mutation from NCL’s? Like buying them from someone isn’t the only way right?



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Brooke(*Frozen Till
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2024-07-12 08:36:21
@Bee Red Idiri,white lace breed only markings while white fawn can get from rmas and breed only too?



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KB BaeBee (#479461)

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2024-07-12 08:39:32
Aw really?! Dang, what’s rmas?



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Brooke(*Frozen Till
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Posted on
2024-07-12 08:40:16
Random marking apps from oasis 1gb each



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