Posted by Ban ALL Use of AI Art On Lioden [380+]

LittleAntler (#30151)


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Posted on
2024-07-21 10:31:44

Ban AI Art On Lioden

I don't feel like there's much need to elaborate on this, but for sake of filling it out - Ban the usage of AI art on Lioden, period. No posting it, no selling it, no having it anywhere on site, even if it's disclosed as AI art. AI does nothing but harm artists, and I've seen one too many people using AI art in their dens, sales threads, and other parts of the forum. With this being an art-based site that has pretty strict rules regarding tracing and art theft, I don't think AI should be permitted ANYWHERE on site, and it should be written clearly within the rules so there's no possible debate.




This suggestion has 431 supports and 13 NO supports.



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Edited on 13/09/24 @ 04:13:09 by LittleAntler [Side] (#130529)

123heaven (#108477)

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Posted on
2024-07-22 08:25:00
HUGE huge HUGE support. It never made sense to me why AI is only banned in custom decor and not everywhere on-site!



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Ricky/Infinightive (#177615)

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Posted on
2024-07-22 08:35:40
In all honesty, I disagree with this mostly because a lot of the CSS on site isn't art made by those who have created the CSS, but rather from sources that may have not been gotten with permission, and yet they still get money off of it. AI being used and sold as actual art pieces as opposed to a simple CSS page is already against lD rules and has had an increase of knuckling down over the last year or so due to a lot of newer players using it in a not so sneaky way, to put it nicely.

i strongly feel that allowing Ai-generated FREE CSS should be allowed, but selling it is different. However, i would like to be enlightened as to how selling an AI-generated image is different to selling an art piece that isn;t yours, but in the form of a CSS? I could just be wrong though, but I definitely want this idea but it interferes with that side of the CSS custom boards, as many of the images are specifically made to represent a fandom [AOT, football, batman, spiderman, etc. etc.].

However, i have still supported the idea despite this uncertainty.

P.S: pardon any spelling/grammar mistakes, I typed this way too fast



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Edited on 22/07/24 @ 08:36:38 by Ricky [Git gud lol] (#177615)

LittleAntler (#30151)


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Posted on
2024-07-22 08:47:10
Art in CSS is SUPPOSED to use only art that the creator has license to use - Such as public domain or royalty free images. These images having these licenses mean the creator of the original work has CONSENTED to its use in whatever the user sees fit, including monetary gain. For things with fandom, it's a bit trickier, but at the end of the day it can be argued that these large corporations aren't being hurt by some random person making monopoly money off their IP.

Now, AI art is intrinsically theft. All AI models, even ones that claim to be opt-in, are trained without the consent of artists. They will take the artwork of artists both big and small, crunch it up, and spit out a cheap recreation. It's no better than tracing at best, and a threat to all artists livelihoods at worst. To allow any AI art is allowing art theft, because there is no AI not based off theft.



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Ricky/Infinightive (#177615)

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Posted on
2024-07-22 08:49:33
I understand where you're coming from, thanks for explaining it to me! I an heavily against AI art for monetial gain, and always have been - my only issue was obviously understanding that one minor detail which you've explained pretty well.

as said, I have already supported the post as even if I didn't understand it at first, it's something that definitely has to be put in place.



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2024-07-22 08:50:04
Entirely agree with LittleAntler, very well explained. AI art is uniquely unethical and is not welcome.



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Stratosphere (#355386)

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Posted on
2024-07-22 15:24:03
Support, it's confusing when AI is allowed for some things and now allowed in others, and because tracing is so heavily disallowed in Lioden (I've even had a commission fully refunded to me because an artist traced a real-life image once), it makes sense to me to have the same strict guidelines against AI



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Ginger g1 magpie (#72691)

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Posted on
2024-07-23 10:31:33
Support, however it should be known that AI art is not able to be sold on Lioden. At least that's what mods told me so if y'all see that happening report it but allowing it for some things and not others could confuse others and it's better to just not allow it at all.



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LittleAntler (#30151)


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Posted on
2024-07-23 10:32:33
I have filed reports in the past over users displaying AI art and it was deemed permissible, as it wasn't being sold, hence the reason for this suggestion!



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Ginger g1 magpie (#72691)

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Posted on
2024-07-24 10:33:23
I know, sorry if my wording wasn't clear! I support this suggestion as if it's not allowed to be sold then it shouldn't be allowed to be displayed either. They clearly understand AI art is theft which is why they won't allow it to be sold however having that "gray area" of it being permissible to be displayed can cause players confusion.



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Posted on
2024-07-24 12:46:44
This is so based, I support. Saw a clan banner the other day that I'm pretty sure was AI. Since this site would not look the way it does without talented artists, AI art has no place here.



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Syntyche (#242162)

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Posted on
2024-07-25 14:09:24
I mean it does little harm if someone uses it as their avatar but at the same time it makes selling art on Lioden harder for artist so I support, also makes since to have it completely banned across site if its not permitted on some things already
Little Antlers points are very valid



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Rowsby (#40999)


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Posted on
2024-07-28 04:21:05
I’ve never clicked on support faster. I am an artist and before AI I’ve already had to deal with art theft (this was offsite) - most times when I took action those sites were able to take the art down so the thief could not profit from it.

With AI being introduced, I know my art has been used to train the software and I cannot do anything to stop it. Recently on another site there was an art competition and the winner was discovered to have used AI art, as well as use multiple accounts to enter multiple entries (it was one entry per artist). Of course this was dealt with but it caused so much drama and backlash.



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Ronnie (#158086)


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Posted on
2024-07-28 19:33:53
As said, AI "art" is inherently theft. The model learns from the art of people who did not consent to be part of the artificial learning process. It will never be original and should count as art theft.



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Sani (#306974)

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Posted on
2024-07-28 21:11:25
This this THIS! AI art is already considered a complex issue, and while it's good that people can't use AI art to sell, using it for promotional and cover images damages the work of our artists (who are honestly the baseline of the community). AI art is art THEFT, programmed by stealing other peoples' hard work and mashing it together in a computer. Stolen art doesn't deserve a place on the site.



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mewflakes (#88492)


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Posted on
2024-07-29 14:14:25
there's absolutely no way to enforce this, and if players want to use AI art to express themselves (think pfps, css, forum posts) i see nothing wrong with this. the only enforcement should be the sale of AI art and usage in custom decor



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