AI art is theft, mew, and you can enforce art theft, so you can enforce this too.

Other sites enforce it just fine btw lol

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It can be enforced just the same as all other art theft. It can be hard to detect, but so can stuff like tracing, eyeballing, or using images without license to do so. Despite that, all of those things are still against the rules. There's no 'expression' with AI art - AI "artwork" is shallow theft, meant to reproduce an artist's hard work without any of the humanity put into it, as well as put artists out of work. We should not encourage such disregard for artists and their livelihoods, or allow AI to have any foothold on an art-based website.

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Agree. AI art models are trained with real artist's work, and 99% of the time it's without notice or consent.

As an aside, there are programs in development that render your work useless to the AI training, and I think some are even being made to poison the whole thing. They're not perfect and it's a constant arms race, but people are trying to combat the use of their work without consent.

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i am an artist, i know what art theft is. I won't speak my belief on AI art since it is contrary to the consensus of this forum and that isn't even the point of my comment.

AI art has evolved to a point where sometimes it is indistinguishable from a real artists, or you have to use context clues to understand if it is generated or not. Therefore, it is difficult to discern if someone is using an AI generated image or not. Then, who is to say that it is against the rules or not? Should lioden train a new team of mods to specifically go around dens and ding people who they can 100% without a doubt discern have AI art on their pages (who probably dont know any better). Should this be what we waste our resources on?

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It's not a waste of resources. Almost all reports of art theft are based on user reports. If someone suspects someone of using AI art, they'll make a report, providing evidence, and the moderator or admin team can take it from there. It's the exact same as any other art theft enforcement.

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I believe that the institution of the rule is still a good principle for the majority of artists I've seen who feel impacted by AI art. You are absolutely obligated to your opinion, no doubt! AI art isn't going to go away, I don't think.

The mod team isn't hitting the art side of moderation as much as they could be, I've noticed. I've seen many rule-breaking threads I've just not had the energy to report like whack-a-mole. Adding another responsibility wouldn't really make this better, but I think that's a problem with the quantity of mods, not this suggestion itself. Lioden can improve its moderation and implement this suggestion.

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It's one thing if someone is selling art under a false pretense. Tracing, eyeballing, AI assistance (as in, selling art that is drawn over AI, or backgrounds etc).

It's another thing if someone simply pulls an image off of google they like and upload it as a pfp.

One is malice, another is the state of the internet right now. One should be dealt with accordingly, one doesn't have any importance to it in terms of moderation.

(think of it this way. art sales are a big staple in this community. we have a lot of sales that happen with on site items and currency. of course when a transaction is made and the product turns out to be ingenuine, reports and action should take place. did the AI art off of google originate from the site and does it have any in game significance?)

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A lot of AI image generators use watermarks or have key issues in the artwork that are detectable even without the use of a program to detect AI art. Mods never "hunt around" for stolen artwork, they respond to flags for it as they do with any other issue. It's not a huge addition to their tasks that already deal with other instances of art theft. Art is easily obtainable from non-ai sources. If someone gets knocked for having an ai art pfp and they have to remove it, it's not going to ruin their lives or leave them without any option for a different pfp. I feel like a lot of artists are already struggling with the negative impact ai has had on art sales and transparency. Art theft shouldn't have a home on an art-based website like this one.

Ai does not "assist" with art, it steals from it and takes away the meaning of doing art in the first place. It erases infinite amounts of hard work to generate an image that's left without any meaning, effort, or purpose. The important thing here, regardless of the morals of AI art itself, is that the playerbase is uncomfortable with its' presence and it is undermining their place as artists in the community.

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Frankly, I don’t think a tolerance for AI art is setting a good precedent for moderator care about artists, which fosters bad feelings in an art-heavy community. Having AI art be allowed in a grey area will only make ill-intentioned folk either less aware of the rules, or more prone to break them under the assumption they won’t get reported if they found AI art elsewhere.

Also the fact that AI image generation *itself* is ingenuine. At best, it’s posting art without credit, but even more harmful as it becomes far more difficult to track down the artists used to generate the image without context clues, as you can’t reverse image search and immediately find the original artist’s profile that it was stolen from- since it’s been so heavily modified by AI.

Sure, it won’t be a perfect system, AI slips through the cracks. But on a case by case basis by user reports, it’s not difficult to assign a value of harm. If used as a pfp, the pfp can simply be deactivated and they can be told to change it, like any inappropriate lion name, etc. if being sold, it’s a much higher offence as it is intentional and therefore worthy of warning. But that is how art *is*. It can be really hard to identify any piece of stolen or well-traced work without the context of the original artist, and yet, websites have cracked down on this for years and continue to do so.

It is theft, and must be treated as theft, else it will foster an art community that may be uncomfortable buying art if they think- from unmoderated instances- that AI art is allowed in any capacity- and artists who are on edge with rules that do not make a strong enough effort to protect them from AI image generators who feel their stolen images are welcome on this site to begin with.

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Here's how it can go

- someone from the community flags a thread for potential use of AI art, same as you might flag a shady trade on TC
- polite moderation message - 'hey could you show us some in progress pictures of this artwork or a canvas file from your drawing program with layers intact so we can make sure it isn't generated work?' or alternatively, 'can you show us where you found this image?'
- they show them in progress art picture or image origin
- they get left alone with a have a nice day

I don't think it's complicated or implausible myself

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as an artist who's also had my livelihood and income impacted by this (and my mental health) i just want to say thank you so much to everyone here who is standing up for this and being so supportive of artists big love to you all

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I vote yes. It's already banned on some other breeding game sites. True AI doesn't exist, it's machine learning and it's learning by scraping art from artists who didn't consent. This stuff is widely known already, plus training generative AI takes up a huge amount of energy.

Sure, maybe generating some images doesn't (I don't know), but the practice of learning and maintaining an AI does. And it's estimated to double by 2026.

By using AI you condone these practices that's a huge drain on our natural resources and screws over your fellow humans. A bad look for a website that supposedly fosters an art community and tries to maintain at least some environmental awareness... We're currently in the wildfire event, after all.

Edit: And its not that hard to enforce. Just blanket ban all AI images. It wouldn't require any more or less intervention than anything else that's banned.

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Never clicked support quicker. Ai "art", in quite literally any situation, sucks. Never is ai okay as it is literal theft. As an artist, seeing the supports and comments on this post are making me so happy <333

Ai art sure ain't leaving anytime soon, but we sure can try to get rid of it in this community ^_^

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Huge support as a real artist

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support, AI art is not art and for pfp, there are plently other pfp people can use, there are free pfp on lioden already that isnt AI

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