On Dominance

"...why not have one dominant female as well? Asiatic lions have female-run prides, and within African prides, there are dominant females."
As far as I know, Lioden lions are based solely on African lions and some subspecies such as Tsavo and Barbary lions. The hierarchy and dominance of Asiatic lions therefore doesn't apply to Lioden, so they can be immediately removed from further discussion.

"...within African prides, there are dominant females."
This is more complicated. Females in African lion prides have no dominance structure in the sense that some are more notable or high-ranking than others. Males, on the other hand, naturally have higher status than females, and older adult male(s) of a pride have a higher status than younger males. Females are pretty much always ranked equally though.

"Prides do have dominant females. If you look up the Ngamo pride, you can find evidence of this sort of hierarchical structure within the pride. The battle for alpha female; Ashanti vs Phyre is the post you're looking for."
Firstly, the article you mentioned about Ashanti and Phyre doesn't define dominance in the way I outlined before (dominance: notableness or level of status), which is what you are suggesting. It uses dominance to refer to the difference between the number of times each pride member initiated social interaction, and how often others initiated it with them. Therefore the article only covers the social aspect of dominance (as I defined it) - the article doesn't cover other behavioural aspects that indicate dominance levels, and dominance is not even necessarily the cause of these changing social interactions. Ethologist Marc Bekoff has said that "Dominant behaviour and dominance relationships can be highly situational, and can vary greatly from individual to individual even within the same species."
The article gives no evidence that there are not other factors influencing the social interactions of these lions. For example, perhaps Ashanti had acted aggressively to some of the other lionesses when they attempted to initiate a social interaction with her, and as such the occurrences of lionesses approaching her have lessened. Thus, 'dominance' would have nothing to do with it. The article actually covers this subject and states that the responses of lions to being approached can influence how often they are approached.

Secondly, the Ngamo pride is a semi-wild pride that was not actually released into the wild until their third year. This means that they were in an environment that did not always reflect the environment of wild lions, and so their behaviour is not necessarily reliable when generalising it to wild lions.
Thirdly, the African Lion and Environmental Research Trust (ALERT) who managed the Ngamo pride explicitly states on their main website that "There is no hierarchy between females, and no particular bonding between any pride members." They are literally saying that females have no hierarchy or dominance system among themselves.
Females take turns leading the others when needed and are just as likely act as a leader as not to.

"And lion prides to have a strong hierarchy. Usually, there is one stronger female that can take over the pride should the king die or whatever."
I've yet to find any evidence for this. If you have sources, please direct me to them.

"...lions are a hierarchical pack animal. There is often a more dominant female among the group of females who will take food from other lionesses, boss them around, ect."
Again, evidence?

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On Realism

Laszlo: "I just absolutely love it when people seem to bring up the halloween event decors and NPCs as reason why they can add unrealistic and fantasy elements. That was an event, not part of the actual gameplay, so please quit bringing that up. It doesnt count."
Your reasoning is flawed here. It literally is a part of the gameplay. The events are part of the gameplay. Would you argue also that whilst the Great Hunger event is realistic, it 'doesn't count'?
I agree that people shouldn't use events, such as the Halloween one, to argue that more fantasy or unrealistic elements should be added. Events like these are added for the enjoyment of users and are a little bit out there to make it more fun and promote participation.

Lioden is not realistic. That is the plain truth of it. Tsavo lions exist in prides made solely of Tsavo lions (to my knowledge) and are only found around the Tsavo River. Barbary lions are extinct. Black lions do not exist. Melanistic lions don't exist (although hypothetically they could) [source]. There is a new base coming in December that will be blue, also non-existent in real lions. As Keht pointed out, new males kill cubs that aren't theirs, but not on Lioden. Females in a pride are almost always related in real life, and don't accept new unrelated females. Not on Lioden. Lissekatze also made good points about realism.

"...it's kinda pointless to argue realism in a game where your lion can take over the appearance of a dead king despite having completely different pelt colors."
True and valid. Whilst it is fine to say the game should be as realistic as possible for the sake enjoyment, arguing that unrealistic features should not be brought in because the game is 'realistic' or supposed to be realistic is kind of stupid. Some people want realistic features, some want unrealistic. Lioden is a balance of both and should be treated as such. People need to approach each others' perspectives about realism in Lioden with an open mind, because realistic and unrealistic factors both play a part in making Lioden the great site that it is.

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To clear up: my previous posts are not my opinion, more a laying down of the facts.

My opinion on the topic is this:
I do not support this idea. Making it an official thing is simply too big a stretch. I'm happy to keep to non-official queens and ranking systems - I do this myself. There's really no need for an official queen.

However, I think your idea about the queen teaching cubs is a good one. Why not apply that to broodmothers? They already don't hunt, and they look after cubs - it's not much further to add a function that trains the cubs in her care.

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Good idea! SUPPORT!

Almost every pride in lioden has a queen. With this she is more visible!

Sugestion
When your king retires, you should have the optinion that your queen retires to. Why? They ruled as a pair, so it fair if they end together.

I think that in order to retire your queen with your king,

She has to be 2 years older/younger than your King. If she gets in that range, there should be a optinion to retire her. If you queen is to young to die and you wanna ritre her, than maybe she could stay in the pride as the: Former wife/queen. This way every one knows, she was a queen, but her partner died.

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Love that idea!!!!!! I sooo support that idea

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I think this would be a wonderful way to put our Queen's to use X)

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I absolutely love this idea!

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No support for reasons already stated.

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Giving this a nice little poke- I like this idea ^^

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I just made a thread like this a few seconds ago. Welp, Support!

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Supported c:
This idea adds more realism to the game, and I hope the Lioden admin will eventually add this. Besides, what's a king without a queen?

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Yes! So glad someone suggested this!

To those saying lions don't have queens so no support, well they also don't have ice/stripes/flames etc.....this is a game, not real life.

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unsupport, sorry. I have 3queens, and they are all mah favorites, choosing the best one would be hard

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No support. Lioden has given us those little "buttons" for lack of a better word, we can put under our lions name, so you can easily establish your own queen but typing a few letters. The advantages the queen would have in your idea seem overpowered to me, as it wouldn't function like a submale. You can have a functioning pride without a submale, but if you didn't want a queen you'd have a pretty big disadvantage against other players with queens. If the function of the queen was altered to be less powerful/not necessary to gameplay I'll be happy to support.

Also lionesses don't really have hierarchy, they're all pretty even. There isn't one that is favored by the male or has dominance over the other lionesses. And yes, wolves DO have alpha pairs c:

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Wow, this is a great idea. And to those saying it's not realistic, just shut up XD Lioden is in no way, shape, or form a realistic example of how lions live in the wild. (No lion pride is 20+ members, Lions can't look 'celestial', Lions can't buy/trade things, lions can't choose heirs, lions usually don't have 1-3 cubs, and lions don't freaking decorate themselves with flowers and feathers.)
On another note however, I really like how this could drive up the price of good looking cubs and females, thus helping the economy. Prides will be essentially competing for 'the best queens' and pay better money for the good lookers.

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