Posted by [++] Lower Fertilities in Lionesses

Lukio (#7391)

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2015-01-05 08:36:26

Hey everyone!

Something that has always struck me as odd is how easy it is to breed a lioness. Every article or video I've looked at about real life lioness conception shows that rates are very low. So when I saw that Very Low fertility goes up to 50% I was very surprised. Sounds pretty doable to me. So why, in a realistic sim, is getting that bun in the oven so easy?!

Here is what I propose:

• Lower fertility levels drastically to both lower cub populations and make pregnancies much more important in the game.

• Make NCLs have fertility levels no higher than average. Perhaps have a very small chance (3-5%) of getting a Goddess fertility NCL?

• Find a way to make the Average fertility levels actually be the average around Lioden.

• Have the fertility levels of High and above become more difficult to inherit.

• Revamp the coding for fertility inheritance to pass average fertility more often. *See below for explanation*


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Here are the current fertility levels:
Goddess = 100%
High = 90%-99%
Good = 80%-89%
Average = 70%-79%
Low = 51-69%
Very Low = 1%-50%
Infertile = 0%

I believe we should change them to look more like this:
Goddess = 100%
Very High = 80-99%
High = 50%-79%
Good = 40%-49%
* Average = 30%-39%
Low = 20-29%
Very Low = 1%-19%
Infertile = 0%

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* To elaborate on point 4: *
I believe we should incorporate some sort of coding into the fertility levels so that the bolded fertilities have the highest chance (50-80%) of passing on to cubs, making extremely high or low fertilities rarer.

Goddess => Goddess | Very High | High | Good | Average
Very High => Goddess | Very High | High | Good | Average
High => Very High | High | Good | Average | Low
Good => High | Good | Average | Low | Very Low
* Average => Good | Average | Low | Very Low
Low => Average | Low | Very Low
Very Low => Low | Very Low | Infertile
Infertile => Very Low | Infertile (With use of Chasteberry only)

***I am not suggesting *any* changes to the coat passing rates. I am only using the mechanics behind them as an example. ^,^ ***

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The reasoning behind this is to try and push fertility levels back down from an exceedingly easy rate of conception and back down to something a bit more challenging.

So what does this mean? Breeding becomes a bit more difficult, requiring more tries and energy. It becomes both more realistic and more of an achievement.

It also makes fertility levels more important when purchasing or selling lionesses - do you really want to have to work hard to breed that Very Low girl or would you prefer an easier (no pun intended) lioness? All of a sudden that Goddess fertility babe looks really nice...But of course, one can always fall back to Chasteberry or Tackweed as a last minute resort.

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Extra Points/Notes:

• Very Low fertility lionesses will still have the greatest chance of gaining mutations. That coding/mechanic should not change at all except to modify the percentages that Very Low girls have.

• I am not suggesting *any* changes to the coat passing rates. I was only using the mechanics behind them as an example. ^,^

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Other Ideas (Not officially part of the main suggestion):

• Fertility plays a part in litter size.
(Mentioned by ::VulpesFelis:BBro:OC::.. (#17507))

Let's take the presented new fertilities:

Goddess = 3-4 (cubs)
Very High = 2-4
High = 2-3
Good = 2-3
* Average = 1-3
Low = 1-2
Very Low = 1-2
Infertile = 0

Perhaps the more fertile the lioness, the more cubs will be produced. The numbers written would be AVERAGES, but any fertility level could still give you any number of cubs.

• Limited breedings by SquiggleBoof (#45520):
"I like any idea to help curb the current lion population... however to make to make it a bit more realistic have it so you can only attempt to breed a certain number of times per day. Yes this means that sometimes your lioness wont get pregnant but hey u can try again next week right? This will further make pregnancies all the more valuable and further help reduce the number of lions."

I'm not too keen on this implementation. Maybe instead of adding a limit we could raise the energy level needed for a breeding from 5% to 10% per fail and 10% to 15% per success?

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No Support: 15

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Cause:
a m b e r p e l t (#15417)
"I feel as if this is going to make the process of buying and breeding for cubs even more tedious than it already is."

Reply:
Lukio (#7391)
I must disagree because, with this system, the higher fertilities are meant to be very rare while average would be that: average. So, in my opinion, it could even increase the worth of some cubs with higher fertilities, while the lower fertility girls would still be wanted for mutation breeding.

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This suggestion has 480 supports and 55 NO supports.



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Edited on 13/11/15 @ 07:51:24 by Lukio *Lights On* (#7391)

Isabella Lena (#49545)

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Posted on
2015-09-30 00:30:19
I was just thinking. But if this idea happens, there will be more muties around. So my idea was:

First: lower the change on getting a mutation on low ferts
Second: Raise the change on getting a (normal)mutation on hight ferts
Third: The lower the fertillity, the higher the change on a fatal mutation cub.
fourth: The higer fert, the higher the change on a normal mutation.
fifht: This way, there mutation change will stay the same. But would be more devided between the low and high ferts.



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PeachMilk 🍑 lil
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Posted on
2015-09-30 00:32:59
im sorry but no support... this would or could increase the chances for mutations which obviously people want to be kept rare.. and for those that dont like having pain in the ass females to breed would be forced to have them in their pride.. I like how it is now



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Isabella Lena (#49545)

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2015-10-05 00:10:53
Apollo@ But if people do not want to take mucth time in breeding. Than the should buy high ferts lioness. Yes they will be more expensive... But still can be done



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Howlite (#72916)

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Posted on
2015-10-05 04:36:12
no support



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{Leaving} (#43698)


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Posted on
2015-10-05 05:33:33
yeah no support either, I like the system as it is and this makes it just confusing and unnecessary



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Lukio (#7391)

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Posted on
2015-10-05 05:36:37
Note: I don't think you guys are understanding my suggestion: I am not changing the system. I am only changing how the percentages are labeled and passed down.



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Edited on 05/10/15 @ 12:36:59 by Lukio (#7391)

QuakingAspens (#66184)

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2015-10-09 15:45:16
Hmm... I like the idea of it being more realistic, and it would make breeding much more worth while. One question though: If it becomes harder to breed a lioness, should (slightly, maybe 1-3%) bump specials up? Cubs are harder to come by, so specials are hard to breed.

I'm not suggesting this for the "Rare" specials, but things like onyx.

At the same time, I like it currently the way it is. I probably be back tomorrow to make a decision.



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Edited on 09/10/15 @ 22:45:59 by Latins (Nightmare) (#66184)

Onca (#7092)

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Posted on
2015-10-13 01:29:31
@Latins

I'm not sure what your question is. :C Are you saying that special traits should be made easier to breed?



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ClockKey (#74714)

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Posted on
2015-11-12 05:40:11
No support.

1:I barely mange to snatch Average-Good lionesses, So this is just gonna make it harder.

2:The ONLY Upside to this is that it would make Muties easier to get, Thus having higher chances of landing me A leopon <3 Still, NO SUPPORT

3:All these people are going On and On about 'Cub market', But the new players need to grab Cubs from somewhere! It helps their pride grow and flourish! You have to remember, Not EVERYONE Is a veteran Liodener with 1,000 SB and 4 Muties flailing about! Not EVERYONE Is spamming cub sells! This will just make it harder for new players to Grow their pride, Which is basically the whole (Half, I mean) point of the game! Everyone always thinks about sales, breeding, decor, Stuff that only Longer lioden players worry about, But you can't forget the New people exist too!



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Edited on 12/11/15 @ 12:42:20 by ClockKey (#74714)

Onca (#7092)

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2015-11-12 09:38:02
@ClockKey

1. What do you mean by "snatch"? If you want higher fertility lionesses, all you have to do is breed higher fertility girls and keep the cubs.

2. I am not suggesting any changes to mutation passing rates.

3. On a regular basis, it takes me *maybe* 2-3 tries to breed a low fertility lioness. If I'm unlucky, it'll take 5-6 tries. I don't understand how you think this would make it harder for players to grow their pride, especially when players can not only find lionesses priced at less than 10sb each in the trading center but also get them outright free by claiming them in explore.



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ClockKey (#74714)

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2015-11-12 12:27:06
1.I mean 'get' a fertility-girl-lioness whatever you just said. Also, I don't have 'Time' to breed, Because either I'm Busy or My lionesses aren't In heat. It seems as if it takes way longer than it says...

2.I know. I'm just saying for The people who thinks 'Higher mutation levels' are a bad idea. Also, I wasn't really talking to you, Not to be rude, Just whoever was reading that.

3.I don't think you know what I'm getting at, And I'm not going to explain 'All' of it.

I never was Talking 'about' NCLs, I was talking about 'aside' From having them. Plus, If your anything less Then 'Not very impressive', Then your gonna have a bit of A goose chase with the NCLs.

AND, Some people may want to go Ahead and Get a Prettier, Rather uncommon lioness right away...Well, As soon as they figure out SB and GB are currency, Of course. Due to that reason, They may want to go and buy A rather expensive cub, (New players start out with SB I think..) But now prices have gone up because Cubs are harder to get, And Pretty-pelted ones even more expensive than New players savings. It's pretty discouraging to Be introduced to This new, Magical game, Save up quite a bit by refraining on the Shop, Only to see A new update has pretty much Said 'Sorry, Your savings are useless, But you can always get more' With one of those evil smilies...*Clears throat* Those smilies are hiding something.



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Edited on 12/11/15 @ 19:30:33 by ClockKey (#74714)

Lukio (#7391)

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Posted on
2015-11-12 12:39:38
@ClockKey

Firstly, I should say that I'm Lukio. This account (7092) is my side. So I'm not sure who you'd be talking to if not me.

I'm trying to make sense of what you're saying, but I don't understand...How can you play the game and not have time (i.e. 30 seconds) to breed your lionesses? Secondly, how is sb/GB useless? Thirdly, the cub market is awful right now. The only expensive cubs are the ones with "new" markings. Fertilities don't factor in whatsoever unless you're a mutation breeder.




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ClockKey (#74714)

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2015-11-12 12:45:21
*Sigh* Ironically, I gave The easiest answer I thought possible. I guess it wasn't enough. I don't feel like Explaining, You have to be In my head To really make sense of it. I give up, I guess all you need to know is that I don't support.



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Onca (#7092)

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Posted on
2015-11-12 12:45:53
....Ok. Thanks for your input, I guess.



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NegCol (#71390)

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Posted on
2015-11-12 17:53:29
Support!

I feel that there are currently two fertility levels in the game: VLF and Not VLF.

VLF is good for mutation breeding and Not VLF is okay for everything else and the level of Not VLF (Average/Good/Goddess) doesn't make a difference at all. Anything that would make this system more complex is good in my book.



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