Posted by [++] Modbox Trigger Words (300+ supports!)

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2015-09-10 11:32:35
Credits to Dawnstar. [Lilac] (#51049) for helping me think of this

I know that I've had this problem recently, and I'm like 100% positive other people had too.

Basically, I was harassed, threatened, and called slurs. And while I did report it (Of course!) It took a day before it was even claimed, leaving me feeling really unsafe.

This user was also reported by a few people who chose to defend me, but I didn't feel like the situation had been dealt with. (Though it has since I originally posted this, so don't worry!)

So my idea is this:

There should be certain words in the modbox that would trigger Mods to come look at them. The words would be stuff like:

"Kill"
"Threaten"
"Harassment"
Etc.

Janxxy (#61852) suggested that there be a subgroup in the Modbox where you'd report these types of things, so that smaller issues like minor ToS breaking and stuff don't get pushed back.

Gnarlandis (#66351) suggested that, rather than have to report a whole thread, you should be able to report a single post.

"I'm not sure if someone said this already, but mods should also add derogative slurs to the list, such as homophobic slurs/racist slurs/ableist slurs. I know that Lioden strives for a safe community where everyone, regardless of identity, is equal, and I believe that adding oppressive/discriminative slurs to the blacklist would help. :D" - Halt (#79087)



EDIT; Thank you everyone for the 200 supports! I can't believe how fast the supports added up!




This suggestion has 423 supports and 24 NO supports.



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Edited on 31/01/16 @ 19:45:44 by 🌚 Evagoblin 🌝 (#3204)

Axel (#6627)

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2015-09-30 18:29:44
You guys are underestimating childish players that we have many of on Lioden.
You seriously think, that there are more validly blocked players on Lioden than for childish or ridiculous reasons?
And why in the seven seas wouldnt you want to have someone post on your threads just because you dont like their lion's pricing. That IS a bit childish, dont you think?

And while threads might be not essential, but still are site-content. And just because you dont agree with someone on something, it doesnt mean you should have the power of limiting their forum experience. This is why it is too harsh and too significant of a feature, because you give this power to EVERYONE on this site. Not just you who is bullied, but to bullies, to childish and spoiled players, and simply just any random person. With this not being controlled by mods, it could end up badly.
Imo, this feature would be okay for the mod-controlled embargo but NOT for the average block feature for the average player who can block just ANYONE for ANY reason.



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Zora (#3204)

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2015-10-01 10:35:04
I disagree, respectfully.

To each their own, but if I'm having a disagreement with someone, even if neither of us is harassing or bullying the other, I feel like I should retain the ability to not let them post on my threads, which, are mine. If I don't want someone to post on that thread, regardless of the reason, I should have that ability. Because it's my thread, and that other person retains the right to not let me post on their threads. Because omg guess what: It is their thread, and they should be able to control who does and doesn't post there.

I also think that none of that really matters. The main point of it is to stop harassers. Even on this thread, which I created to STOP harassers, within the first page the person harassing me started commenting me, despite me blocking them and them blocking me.


Not to mention, even if someone had blocked me, and I wasn't able to post on their threads anymore, what's the worst they're going to do? Make a thread called "Evagoblin is an asshole"? I could still report that thread, and I doubt the community of lioden would let that slide.


You're entitled to your opinion, and you have the right not to support this thread, but I'm done discussing this with you.



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FoolsgoldFenrir (#27778)

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2015-10-02 01:35:20
Axel, Lioden is 16+. Anyone under that age, in my opinion, does not get the rights of Lioden's site content. Or Lioden itself, for that matter. So not everyone does, and I agree with Evagoblin. They should be able to see it, but not reply to it. Because surprise, surprise, it's their thread! And I don't think anyone would want their thread to become toxic (other than trolls...) which is the main reason we need this to be implemented. And frankly, Axel, I've never seen you support any suggestions, even really good ones. I only see you post non-support. Which I can understand for ideas that aren't very good, but try finding some good suggestions. It almost seems like you only post non-support just to do that. Usually you provide good reasons why to not support, but sometimes they don't really make sense. I don't see any downsides of this one. You're entitled to your opinion, but we shouldn't have to be called childish for supporting this suggestion. (And I also believe there's a difference to respecting an opinion and accepting an opinion.)



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Edited on 02/10/15 @ 08:36:26 by ~Simba the Fluffy Lion~ (Lich) (#27778)

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Posted on
2015-10-02 10:28:26
Thank you Simba!



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FoolsgoldFenrir (#27778)

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2015-10-02 12:35:03
Anytime, Eva c: Lets try to get more supports on this amazing idea!



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Zora (#3204)

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2015-10-02 12:35:41
Yes, let's! We're almost at 250 supports omg :O



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FoolsgoldFenrir (#27778)

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2015-10-02 12:56:41
Yay! Hopefully Lioden implements this!



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Zora (#3204)

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Posted on
2015-10-02 13:17:32
Me too!



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Axel (#6627)

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Posted on
2015-10-02 19:48:12
You know, I support plenty of suggestions by clicking on that nice little button.
When did I call anyone in this thread childish, btw? Wait... Oh, so you would block someone and not let the person post into your threads just because you dont like their lion's pricing. Well, yeah. A bit too severe punishment, dont you think? This is the only reason I called anyone childish because let us be honest... It isnt a good enough reason to even block anyone, let alone to limit them on the forum.

And once again, you are in the dreamland and utopian site, where only trolls and people who deserve it get blocked.
ANYONE, including innocent people can get blocked. Keep that in mind. For the mod embargo, it is a good feature. But one cannot give such a powerful tool into the hands of an average user to use it for their own entertainment. I for one would hate to be limited by someone who decided my prices for my artworks are too high or because they simply dont like my avatar. Or just for the lols.

Plus, let us not forget that your decision to block someone is your personal matter. It should not affect the third party people. If the blocked person cannot post in your threads, this also limits the people who had nothing to do with your matter and cannot see a person's post due to YOUR decision. They should not be affected by it.

And indeed, as 16+, one can expect from everyone -including OP- to know how to deal with trolls. While I see in this thread, that they had someone coming after them indeed, I also saw that they were feeding it and giving it the attention it wanted, including the others who replied. In the end, the person only stopped once the mods/admins banned them.

Do. Not. Feed. The. Troll.

As mature individuals, it is already expected that you deal with the issue as a mature person. Ignore the harasser, gather evidence, present the evidence to the admins/mods and they will get banned eventually. The person in this thread would have stopped replying long ago if it wasnt to the OP and everyone else replying to them. They would have grown bored eventually.

So be mature and do not feed the troll, have the self-control of ignoring them and let the admins/mods judge the situation according to the evidence you supplied them with. If they feel the person is indeed doing harm, then you wont hear of them again.



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Edited on 03/10/15 @ 06:00:57 by Axel (#6627)

FoolsgoldFenrir (#27778)

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2015-10-03 00:35:24
Axel, you do provide a good a good argument. However, perhaps if you believe someone has blocked you for no good reason, you could probably either ask them why on a side account (assuming they didn't block you there) or report it via modbox if they did (or if they respond with a hateful message) though it has been proved that ignoring does not always work. Like, how exactly does one ignore PMs calling people slurs, or call-put threads that have hateful messages (which are most likely nto true about the target). And not everyone would block someone for a petty reason. What about in this situation? Sure, they're banned now, but it's not guaranteed that we won't find another bully here on Lioden. And it's not just blocking people from commenting on threads posted by the people that blocked them. It's also for having trigger words in the modbox.



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Axel (#6627)

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2015-10-03 02:18:54
What if they blocked me on all my accounts? What if they are not saying anything? I cant go with this to the mods or be angry because it is their personal right to block me if they want, be it for any reason. But they cannot and should not be able to limit my freedom on the forum in any way, shape or form because the block could be for any ridiculous reason, like them not liking my suggestions or my drawings.

As for going to the mods... I am more than certain that they have enough work to do, do not bombard with them with something that shouldnt even be there in the first place. I am sure there would be more people asking why they are blocked by a person and demanding unblocking than people requesting an embargo. And they would need to deal with this in a case by case matter just the same.

Ignoring works wonders, you know, even if it does not stop the person but it can make your life easier while you are waiting for those few hours for the mods to handle them. Let them write away. As far as I know, the posts of the person you blocked is now hidden for you, so you can choose to pretend it isnt even there. So pretend it isnt even there, dont even mind them, just move on. Plus -as far as I know- the blocked person CANNOT send you private messages, if I am not mistaken. The call-out threads in the end will be deleted and the person will be banned. People wont like them for being a troll or a bully, so just stay calm and continue playing. Report the threads and go on your merry way like a mature 16+ person.

Bullies, trolls were, are, will be part of Lioden or any other site. But you cannot give just every player such a powerful tool for everyday use. learn to deal with them. Know, that Lioden's community does NOT like these people and will not tolerate them. The staff is fast to handle as well. If you really really really hate a person, then request an embargo from the mods. It is much better than having people limited from forum content because for any reason.

I know the thread is primarily for the modbox triggers and I already said that I agree and support that idea but will not pledge my support with the button while it also wants to limit people for any reason.



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Zora (#3204)

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2015-10-03 06:29:42
I've read everything you've said, and I'm going to completely ignore it.

I asked you to stop posting here, about this, because I really don't want to talk about it anymore. Please respect that.
At this point, I wish this feature was already implemented, because I don't want you posting in this thread, especially since I've already asked you to stop.

Like I've said, you're entitled to your own opinion, and you don't have to support if you don't want to, but please leave this thread alone. You haven't given a single idea that could replace the one I have, you're just poking holes in an idea you don't like, not trying to improve the idea and make it better.

Frankly, the main reason I don't want to talk to you is because I feel like you're being more aggressive than you need to be, and it actually weakens your statement. I have no problem having a debate or discussion, but this doesn't feel like that. It feels like you're personally attacking me for an idea that I didn't even create (It's not the main point of the original post) and it makes me not want to listen to you.

Basically, please respect that this is my thread and I don't want to discuss this with you anymore, especially if you're going to be so aggressive and condescending, and not try to actually improve ideas.



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Axel (#6627)

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2015-10-03 07:12:48
I already tried to improve the idea, by suggesting that this posting limit should be implemented into the mod-given embargo, which you can request from the staff if you feel you are being harassed and you need to block someone completely from interacting with you. Although for this, you need quite a good reason. This is why it is awesome for the embargo. The mods will not place an embargo on a player just because you did not like something about them. Bullies cannot use it for their own entertainment. It is being handed out on a case-by-case fashion.

The idea currently is simply too harsh. There is really no other way to improve it. You would give too much power for the everyday user.

Please, do not confuse aggression with the simple clash of opinions. We are having a debate, a harmless one at that. Nobody is being condescending or aggressive but it is easy to see it as such if you see opposing opinions.

And your reason for wanting me not replying just proves it further why this feature would be a bad idea. You would block me now, even though it is clear that I make good points, you just simply arent agreeing with me. That is all. I am not being a bully, I am not harassing you, I am just pointing out why your idea is wrong. This is not a reason for limiting me from forum content.



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Zora (#3204)

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2015-10-03 07:19:40
Homie, at this point I do feel harassed. Leave me and my thread alone, I've already said I don't want to talk to you anymore, and I feel like your attitude towards me is making this thread more toxic than it should be.



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2015-10-03 07:28:19
I'm not really sure about the 'not letting people post on threads you've created' part of this suggestion. There's already been a thread in the past regarding making the blocking system more effective, and plenty of debate on that thread on what features would and wouldn't work. Posting on their threads was largely debated on that thread, and I believe it is following that that the staff added the hidden posts portion of the current blocking system.

I can think of reasons both for and against implementing such an idea, but seeing how staff only decided to add a 'hide button' rather than a complete block, I believe they're leaning more against it.

I would support a case-by-case system of blocking players from posting on your threads, but I see certain issues (that I won't bring up here, as it's already been discussed plenty on the other thread that you can go look up if you want) possibly arising from a block system that always stops those you block from posting on your threads.

I don't really believe that suggestion should be a part of this thread at all though, as although you may want to implement them for the same reason, the difficulties associated with each feature are vastly different.

Also, messaging people who have blocked you from your side account can be considered harassment, so you really shouldn't be doing it :>

Edit: Perhaps an alternative would be to show the hidden post button to everyone who visits the thread, rather than only those who have the person blocked? This would give those who visit the thread a sort of warning that this person may be a troll/harrassing the owner and that they should read those posts with that in mind.



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Edited on 03/10/15 @ 14:31:06 by Shu .:Lights on:. (#41516)







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