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I have been working on just getting 2 BBs this month, because I have been greatly busy and offline often, and this honestly feels like a slap in the face. And this is seemingly following a trend I have been noticing lately. I feel that lioden has begun to be less friendly to its user base recently, and I am honestly getting worried by it.

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I've had some bad experiences with staff on another account, I don't really trust the lioden team with my experience on here. I've always been dubious of this sites management, but the event goals have really cemented it in my mind.. It IS a slap in the face. It IS rude to change it unannounced, to change it without even glancing at the players first. I doubt the backlash will do anything though..

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You guys realize that it won't change back to 500 DB right? Maybe 600 but not 500. Again, The admins changed it because of the amount of DB collected

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You guys, this game is still in beta. That means that we are TESTERS. Things are going to be changed based on our performance. It means that staff will listen to our suggestions... But they'll also adjust items without our input to try to ensure the game works right according to their vision for the game as well as to maintain a stable economy.

Do you really think that people wouldn't have complained if it was announced at the beginning of the month? People would have been just as up-in-arms.

This is a luxury item intended as a reward for putting more time into the game. Players who put more time or money in the game will earn more rewards than those who don't. That's how free-to-play games like this work.

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Well, it might change if we support it. That's the point of the suggestion threads.

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I wonder if the admins realize that there's a minority of people who just have thousands of DB in comparison to the majority who are only in the 100-1K range... The majority will end up with 1 ball if lucky, nothing is really stopping the minority from making a ton of GB out of this. The DB isn't evenly spread well enough for the price change imo, all I could agree with it changing to is around 600 instead.

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It's still not fair to casual/newer players. I get 100 DB a day
+ bones from last year and I still think it's unfair that they have to work even harder to get these items. Sure, people that can put more time and effort into a game are rewarded, but don't leave out the little guys.

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I haven't had time to read through all the replies, so this may well ave already been pointed out, but if this was about keeping the number of buffy balls in game down to prevent muties etc losing value, it would have made MUCH more sense to make this sort of change in February rather than August, imo.

Most people get the vast majority of their buffy balls and breeding items for the year in February (and September). August is just a nice extra - at 500DB it was already pretty difficult to get more than a couple of scrotums this month for the average player. Leaving prices as they were in February - and February shop prices are really low, with currency easy to get in large amounts - and then changing this in August just doesn't seem logical to me

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Honestly it's been in beta for years, keeping it in beta doesn't absolve everything tbh. Could leave a game in beta 10 years if someone wanted tbh.

Also RNG is a MAJOR factor. I've gotten as few as none and as high as close to 30 in a bar making the same choices.

Also this is still in poor form/poorly executed. It doesn't matter if some people would have been upset still, doesn't absolve the poor form aspect at all.

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@Fearsome
Thank you for saying that, it really needed to be said.
I've been on for about three months, and I lack the DB boost that a lot of older players have. It's unfair to people like us who haven't been on that long.

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I'll be honest, when they said they were adjusting prices I was expecting it to be lowered, not raised. 500 was already much harder to get the Buffy balls than it is to get them in the Feb event.
None of my other friends who play are hardly able to even get 500 in the whole month because rl just doesn't allow for that kind of game play dedication. I myself find it very hard to get more than maybe 2 in the whole month and I'm on every day ( whereas in Feb I am usually able to get 5-15 scrotes plus other things)
I know for a fact that my busier, job and life attending friends will never be able to even get 1 scrote this month at the new price.
While I understand the idea of this being a "buffer" month and Feb being the primary month for scrotes, this new price increase still seems harsh...

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Someone a few pages back made a truly valid point (sorry I don't remember who). They roughly said this - "When LD's popularity grows and more people join, that buffy scrots could reach a 1000." If that happens, then the prices for buffy scrots will probably double when they're released because they're harder to get, which will then mess up the market when the event ends. Meaning when this event is over, what we're paying currently for off-event scrotes could basically double or triple in the market.

I don't know about y'all, but I'm not about that. I'm a casual player, and granted, this event doesn't really excite me, I was still hoping to get at least 1 or 2 buffy scrots. That's gone out the window now. lol

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I see this price increacement as very unfair to the casual players. While I was ok getting no buffy balls on this account because i only log in here during the weekends, I find it pretty unfair probably not being able to get one on my side too since I log in most of the days. Right now I have 501 DB on that account and 200-300 of them were from the year before the previous one (last year i was on hiatus).

Halfway through the event I managed to get enough DB for one BB with the old prices in mind and I seriously doubt if I would have been be able to get another one sice I'm busy irl with work, a thesis and a bunch of other stuff. Now if I'm lucky I'll get one. I dont see how newer players/ more casual players would be able to get more than 1 or 2 BB before the price raise, let alone now. Imo it shouldnt have been changed.

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I totally agree that they shouldn't have just dropped this on us last minute; but then again, things like this happen a lot. I wish there was a bit more communication on things like this, but you know, it is what it is.
The staff always have reasons behind what they do, and I totally understand that prices might increase because of having more players. They adjust tier bars and prices depending on how many players there are. More players = more currency = more purchased items = lower prices for said items in the TC. These items are meant to be rarer, so this is what happens, I guess.
I totally get raising the price a bit. But, I also agree that raising it by 200 DB is a little steep. It should be 600 instead (if they're going to keep the price raised). :/

Personally, 500 DB is a bit difficult for me to obtain in the first place as more of a casual player. I'm just looking to compromise, because I wholeheartedly believe the staff will not reduce the price back to what it was. We've had issues like this before, and while the staff may have acknowledged our position on the matter, they tend to also ignore it.

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So, let's follow this train of thought that prices should rise as we get more players to account for the fact that more (single use, consumable - come on now) items will be on the market.

First, let's account for the fact that most new players are casual players. These folks will be able to afford one scrote, MAYBE two by the end of the month. If that. A large number of them will probably use their scrotum to breed their favorite lioness. Others may put their scrotum on the market, or keep it to trade later. Either way, the difference in the number of scrotes on the market will be negligible at best.

Still, let's follow this train of thought through to its inevitable end.

We're being told that the price of items in shops will rise as more people start playing Lioden. I've accounted for how that might "affect" the market as a whole, but let's look at what this policy is going to do to individual players.

For the same amount of effort, you will be able to afford less and less every year. Your personal profits will DECREASE as the site becomes more popular. You can't run a Simulator Site like that. Eventually, players become frustrated. Eventually, they decide that it's all too much effort for too little reward. Eventually, they start leaving.

But Finn, if people leave, prices will go back down!

Sure, maybe. And then you can look forward to them going right back up as people return in a vicious cycle if this policy stays in place.

Healthy markets fluctuate. That's why "buy low, sell high" is a thing. I'm going to be a bold little shit and call this what I think it actually is, because I don't believe it has anything to do with keeping the market "healthy."

I think this is a cash grab, plain and simple. People have planned all month on being able to afford a certain number of buffalo scrotums based on the amount of dry bones they've been collecting. It's not like we've had a huge population boom in the past week. Staff have KNOWN the current population of Lioden. It's not new. And yet the Wiki has had scrotes listed at 500 DB all month.

Now that folks have planned on obtaining a certain number of scrotes for their personal projects, raising the DB price means the majority of them won't be able to buy all the scrotes they might need from the event shop. Still, this is the time of year they'll be cheapest, at least until next February. So, people will buy premium currency to buy up the surplus on the market now.

Ba-da-bing, ba-da-boom. Profit.

It's really insulting, actually. I'm sure there will be self-rightous responses about how the staff would never do this, yadda yadda, but Lioden is a business. Businesses are built on profit. If they need money, that's fine. I understand that.

But put up a Kickstarter or Patreon. Don't punish your user base under the guise of "keeping the market healthy." That's a load of crock.

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