How do I respond to that. Seriously. Help.

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@envis it might be alot of work but it would be worth it in the long run and of course it's not like they'd have to do it all at once. And yes people price items differently, if you think a price is different then that is how you feel. Being able to price items differently is what gives them value but if you have alot then it will be worth less to you so you prioritize something else, that's how I interpret the item edit anyway.
As for your comments about interstellar it was a rare item, of course it's expensive, but i fail to see what it has to do with raffles in general. And its like you said, forum raffles give players more "control" you can also get scammed and may not get items back.

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The raffles clearly don't have the best system, esp considering all the suggestions regarding changing the raffle system, and the need to do forum raffles (which are harder to manage) because the actual in-game raffles don't work as well as they should. Besides, it's kind of the coders job to, well, code things. That's why we have this 'suggestion' section. To suggest changes.

People are *constantly* making suggestions for raffle changes, and TONS of people support them. This is a change that needs to happen, because the in-game raffles are literally so unhelpful people resort to doing forum raffles which are much harder to manage, but they have to do it anyways because this raffle system is horrendously bare-boned, only just barely having the functionality to actually work as a raffle system. It honestly feels unfinished.

Also, how is it greedy? o-o We're just asking for a functioning system. If our raffle prices are too high/low, then people just?? Won't join them?? I honestly have no idea why you're so worked up about this :"D Sorry if I misunderstood? Just trying to explain why your concerns... uh, shouldn't be concerns, I guess.

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First of all, I'd like to say this to Eden: Calling for help? I'm a bit confused as to why you called on others as if that was a personal attack. You asked in your first post for "why beyond it's too much work", so I gave you my reasons. That was nothing against you, I don't know you in the slightest.

Phantom StarsX; I'm not so sure I understand why it would be worth it. Being able to price items at what you value is what trades and branches are for. That's your personal selling point, as I mentioned with the buffalo scrotum and interstellar remnants, you have the choice to price things beyond reason. But the raffles stop that and bring some stability to "pricing" items. The item interstellar remnants are relevant to the raffles because in the first post Eden mentions "30 tickets for buffy balls". Now imagine 100 tickets for that base applicator, or 200. That's why it's relevant. Because people can get obsurd amounts for something rare. I understand that it was rare, but do remember: GB is real money. Unless you're trading SB for it, you have to pay for GB, and not everyone has real money to waste on a game when they have rent and bills and food to pay for. A lot of Lioden members are very lucky to have the money to burn, but in that bliss they forget that this game is otherwise free and that's why so many people can play it. They then put things at ridiculous prices and think it's normal. It's not. If you have 100GB to spend on a base, then you are one very, very, VERY lucky person and you shouldn't be acting like the rarity really makes that 3 digit number an acceptable price.
Btw before you react badly, "you" doesn't mean you directly I was saying it as in anyone who does have that money, idk where you stand with money obviously. It was just wording.

As for forum raffles giving you control, that's what I'm actually against. I said it because that's what this thread is asking for, more control, when the current raffle system is already fair and gives you a great amount of control. You're comparing a system the Lioden team made to be fair to a "system" made by individuals that changes greatly, and I mean greatly, between individuals. The solid raffle system we have is good, it's a shame people want more when I don't even understand this "30 tickets for x". Please explain to me why we need to enter the raffle 30 times to get a chance at an item? Right now you pay once you get a chance, or you can pay 100 times and still have a chance, but the point of a raffle is you go in knowing you're possible wasting that money. It's supposed to be like that. And, if you were to agree like Firecracker below that they simple can choose not to join it as such a high cost, what makes you think anyone is being forced to enter raffles?

FirecrackerTNT; Of course the raffles don't have the best system, I never claimed that. But I said they are fair, which they are. The "need" to do forum raffles is literally something members do for greed and more currency at the end of it. To enter 30 tickets for an item when you can click once and have the same amount of a chance? That's ridiculous. Forum raffles are a way for members to feel like they have control, but raffles and random. You're not supposed to have control. Choosing your form of payment for the items your offering is the only control you should have in a raffle.

I'm well aware raffle suggestions are highly supported, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing for the admins to do to change the system. I really hope they don't crumble to all of this and keep the raffles as they are, minus only the editing our description and item list. That I agree with. But I highly disagree, the raffles do work as they should. Randomly. Fairly. One ticket one chance. You either pay Gb, SB< or an item and know you won't get it back if you don't win. Raffles are a form of lottery. It's governed by chance. That's the definition, literally, of how it "should" and does work right now. You're description of raffles is... disappointing. I think, honestly, you may have had some bad experiences with them. But hey, luck isn't always on someone's side and you know that going in. If forum raffles were to have that same element of chance as lotteries/raffles are designed, how do the forum raffles change anything? A ticket is a ticket, plain and simple. You don't have to spend more than one ticket in a real life lottery in order for a chance to win an item, why should it be different here?

It's greedy because people who have the money to burn don't think about those who don't. And you're right, if raffle prices are too high or low people don't enter. It's a choice, both in the raffles and "forum raffles", no one has to join. But, that's all the more reason I stand behind what I said in my original post. To demand 30 tickets for a chance at an item, if you could do that in the real raffles far less people would use the raffles, and then an entire area the admins worked hard to create for us would go dark or be so rarely used that people just kept making forum raffles.

Also, please don't assume I'm "worked up". I'm not angry I'm just done with this area of Lioden, and I felt like I had to point out the flaw in this suggestion. My concerns are justified, maybe not to you but to everyone who looks at an item worth 5GB and has to sell a crap ton, explore a crap ton or trade a crap ton of good lions just to get a decently colored base. It's SO time consuming to get enough SB to turn it into GB, and in my opinion and the opinion of many others time and effort is worth just as much as real money, as after all you get real money by working for it. So, these concerns are completely justified. Not everyone can afford the forum raffles because of member demands things be their way. The raffle system gives us a fair chance.

And what would happen if the person running the forum raffle miscounted, or the tickets got mixed up? There's no room for human error in the raffle system, and that is why they are fine the way they are. No room for human error, your chances can't be squashed by a person's mistake. If you enter, you have a chance. If you win something awesome, if you lose something you know you risked that. But a forum raffle is completely subject to human error and that confidence it's fair can't be placed on stable ground. One mistake and you could have wasted a lot of currency for something you would have won had the person not miscounted one ticket.

Hopefully, that made sense to all of you and helped you understand that raffles (fair) and forum raffles (at high risk of mistake) should stay separated.

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@Envis. I wanted to defend the Raffle system, but was unsure of my ability to word it elegantly. I didn't take it as personal.

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Also, I think you may have misunderstood me. I'm not saying you must purchase a certain number of tickets to be able to win a certain item. Try reading my newest edit.

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Sorry to say I see no difference in your edit. Why not just click enter 3 times? The current raffle system already says if you enter more than once you have a higher chance of being picked.

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This allows for a greater range of items to be accepted. No one will enter with a GB when they can enter with 200SB, as one of the suggestion threads mentions. Here, if you don't have... Let's say lucky feet, but you do have GB, you don't have to go sell your GB, buy lucky feet, and enter, to get your money's worth.

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You don't have to have GB and SB as a choice together in a raffle. If you only want GB, leave SB at 0.
The same goes for items, you pick what items you want from it, people decide if it's worth the risk.

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But with a more forum-like system, people get their money's worth. No one will want to put 1GB in a raffle it 200SB will give you the same odds.

That's why forum raffles can say "200SB gets you 1 Ticket, but 1GB can get you 6 tickets". It's also why people can pay with things like herbs for a small amount of tickets, but if they pay with an expensive applicator they get way more tickets out of it.

It's more beneficial for both parties that way ^^ Hope I explained that right!

Plus, this suggestion isn't /just/ about that. It also fixes a ton of things that people have wanted fixed for a long time now.

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I'm not suggesting you change that...

Okay. Let's say as a hypothetical, I'm raffling my OGF Mutie, okay?

My ticket options are 1GB, 5SB, Pose: Kind, Pose: Evil, Gem: Sparkling Opal, Gem: Rhodonite, and Lucky feet.

The distribution of my earnings from the raffle will look something like

1GB= 0, 5sb=50, Pose: Evil = 0, Gem: Sparkling Opal =25, Gem: Rhodonite=15, and Lucky feet =8.

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As I just said above, you can set the raffle to be item only tickets, SB only tickets, two out of the three, or GB only tickets. You don't have to put all three as an option, That argument is extremely weak, no offense.

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We don't have to. We want to be able to use all three. It reaches more players, with more affordable tickets, while still leaving the option open for richer players, and for raffer holders to get better items, while still giving newer/poorer players a chance.

Forum raffles are almost never cancelled. Raffles in the TC are cancelled almost more than they run.

If you don't agree with the values set up by the raffler owner, then don't enter. Simple.

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Exactly. If you don't agree don't enter, so why would you be so upset if it gets canceled? You get your money back.
Also, this in no way "helps" players with less GB. Please don't go into "richer/poorer", that's going to a personal level. I was careful with my words and used lucky because that's far less invasive, even if someone can afford like a 50GB item you don't know if that GB was a birthday gift, ect.

My point simply is make the raffles what you want them to be, run them, cancel if you don't like it, or do a forum raffle. The raffles are set up very efficiently that we can pick and choose and are still perfectly fair.

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*facepalm* In-game richer or poorer. I'm a college student. Do I have any right to be talking about financial situations?

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