Funnily enough i get the same reactions when I'm being "blunt" without meaning to be. That aside I can agree on something, opinion heavily impacts the community. with that said, I must honestly ask, if there's an item you really want that's being raffled that's presented with the ticket options of 1 GB, 20 SB, or an event app, which are you gonna pick if all give the same odds?
It'd seem... mostly rational to pick the SB item because it is the cheapest, there's no reason to really select one of the other choices, in my opinion.
If the more expensive options give more tickets, that's going to even up the reasons to use one of the other options, or even a few of the options, and you can still pick the inexpensive options.
That's how it seems to me, anyway.

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Perhaps add in a feature where the owner of a raffle has to give a reason for why the raffle is canceled? I've entered into like 3-4 raffles lately that were just canceled and I have no idea why.

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Whenever a raffle is cancelled I usually just figure the raffle owner wasn't getting what the wanted from the raffle or changed their mind and wanted to keep what they were getting rid of or both... I wouldn't mind that actually for a reason given if it was optional, like the trades when you can choose to send a message with the rejection.
(EDIT: cause yeah there's been times I've had to cancel raffles due to a mistake I made and felt horrible for not really being able to let people know "I just gotta fix one thing, temporary cancel" lol)

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If you want me to be completely honest with that question, Phantom StarsX, believe it or not I always buy 3 tickets. An item and two SB or SB and 2 items, depending on what they want, as I'll give gems in generous amounts as I never end up using them. If it's a really good item, for example a MOD: Primal/Patches I'll put in 1GB, 1SB ticket and one item(if I have the item, otherwise two SB). So, yeah, maybe I'm irrational but I'd be surprised to see someone having an MOD, ect. raffle and NOT cancel if they don't get good GB or items, so of course I'd put in a GB in the hopes it would make the person keep the raffle open and give me that chance at the item. So of course I want to give GB if I can, if not I try to give an item of good quality and SB because I explore, hunt, and sell a lot of stuff and am trying my best to build up some currency. I currently have 12kSB and from there I buy GB with SB. I'm also a hoarder of items and keep them until they are desired.

To me, paying in a raffle is not only a gamble, it's also a way to give to someone else. I see it as a two-way street and also a way to give someone something they want/need because hey, we both want something.

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I try to do the same thing when I can but I've still seen raffles canceled cause not everyone sees the point in doing so.

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But, again, that's a choice and, hey, you get your stuff back if they cancel. But that's not a fault of the raffle now, is it? That's the person who opened the raffle who backed out on you, but at least you are positive you got your stuff back. This is what I'm saying, why does the raffle system need an "overhaul" as the original post says if it's as simple as that?

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Because people might be more likely, will be if the forums are any indication but again those can be unreliable, to choose other options or a variety of options if there's a bigger payout to certain options, raffle owners get what they want, people get in with more of a chance, it evens out.

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And yet people still use the official raffles? No one can have more of a chance, that's not the point. Most people will lose the raffle, that's why it's a type of lottery. You're not supposed to be positive you're gonna get stuff.

You're again circling back to opinions. *headdesk* You are so frustrating because as soon as you make sense you double back! Omg. Just, dude, stop it. You're at this point trying to irritate me and we're not making any actual useful debate. Honestly, have you had that many terrible experiences with raffles that you're this dead-set on it? I feel like you're trying to poke a bear with a stick here, but you're kicking a dead horse. Three pages of this and you're keeping the same debate, not even a new one.

Bring up a new and preferably good point or just drop it like an adult, because I'm done with your game here.

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I do not believe we will ever agree on this point. However, there is a whole list of points up there, and the only one you seem not to support is bullet one.

People don't do forum raffles because they are risky.

Building the main components of forum raffles into the raffle system makes it no longer a promise transaction, but a legitimate raffle, lightening the workload for the mods having to watch for scams.

I have never hosted a forum raffle. I am forgetful, and scared I will misplace a person's tickets, or have to cancel and not be able to remember who bought in with what, or that I won't have time to return everything.

By bringing the things that make people want to do forum raffles (the list) into an automated, safe system, it eliminates that stress, and actually may lighten the mod's load. I know scam raffles are infrequent, but they do occur.

Another thing I want to do is remove the two-day limit on lions. Because most form raffles are for lions, because hey, if you want to raffle a lion worth a lot, then two days is not usually enough, and nobody likes promise transactions, really. Especially "If you win the marula fruit I will send you this Piebald"

My point here is to eliminate raffles held in forums by creating a system so we don't need them anymore.

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..... my apologies if you feel that way envis, I'm actually not "trying to just frustrate you" or anything like that. I wasn't trying to get you worked up or anything either and am sorry if you're... perceiving me in such a disagreeable light. And yes I have had bad experience with raffles, I never really use them anymore, forum or official. I don't ever really find the payout in official raffles the best, or sometimes even remotely to the value of the item so I just sell it, and i very rarely participate in offical raffles anymore either, and the last time I participated in a forum raffle.... well let's just say I'm glad the admins refunded people. But I wouldn't ever set up a forum raffle either out of concern for overlooking someone oreven jusyt keeping track of who enters... it's a lot for someone like me to keep track of so Yeah I prefer official raffles but at the same time I hardly use them.

And again I'm sorry if you're simply finding me disagreeable or repetitive, I don't see where your argument has changed much either. All I've been attempting to do is say why i think raffles need an overhaul, if I've been... "beating a dead horse" as it were then I apologize. I've made my point best I can, I'll leave it be.

@eden and yes I definitely agree about the two day limit on lion raffles, it's just stressful

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Eden; Oh, no, I have plenty of more issues with this idea. Everything about this suggestion except the edit I highly disapprove the idea of. Caps on items takes away the ability for everyone to play after a certaint point, which is what you seem to want, for people to be able to join cheaply, so that's an issue.

Auto-running the raffle by amount of tickets instead of giving people the proper day or two that's standard now, that bugs me.

Withdrawing tickets doesn't make any sense, are you trying to say having a "back out of this raffle" option? You can't do that once you've started a raffle/lottery. That's the point. So what if you accidentally enter with your side account? It's no biggie.

The mods may not be having to watch for any extra scams, their load may not be what you consider so troubling for members now. If you choose to participate in a forum raffle instead of the official they created for you, in my opinion, you're asking to get ripped off. You may not like the official system but it's safe, so why would you purposefully go to an out-dated and risky option when there's a safe one?

The lion 2-day cap I sort of agree with, but then again if you advertise enough and have a good lion to sell you'll get the attention in proper time, so I don't see this as a big issue.

They already made a system so you don't need forum raffles anymore. You just aren't content with it, you want more in a lot of different ways that I can't quite understand. It's an insane amount of work for a system that already acts perfectly as it was intended. Of course it's not like the forum raffles, if it was, why would they have built it? They saw what was wrong with forum raffles and created their official take on it. If you don't like it, that's just too bad.

Phantom StarsX; You're doing it again, though. lol That's my point, it's frustrating trying to debate with you because you don't change topics. Of course I don't change topics because you can't accept anything I say without acknowledging I have some points, you just continue to fire back with the stuff we can't fix. The site isn't perfect but they're trying, but to seriously have this much of an argument over an official option that people are purposefully taking the risky route around because it gives them the most control is... just exhausting at this point to debate.

It's just that you only have one point, and I've argued it and pointed out the flaw several times, but instead of coming up with a different point or suggestion you support you re-iterate the first one over and over.

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I'm just gonna stop debating with you before this turns into a personal issue, I stated my side, you stated yours. If I've frustrated you then my apologies, no more reason to mention me specifically at this point. I personally feel like the current system is indeed outdated and I really haven't seen a change in raffles since the "tickets per player" cap option... that was a long time ago.

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....yeah that was like watching a game of tennis.....

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Right?! XD It sucked so much. lol

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i support completely!! this would make it way more balanced— if I'm raffling off, say, 5 muties and someone wants to buy 20 tickets, it seems fair that they should be able to buy those tickets with an applicator that i want rather than spending a ton of SB when they could have paid with an item that i would probably put to more use than the SB

and on the subject of "it leaves the pricing up to opinion" ....LOL that's literally what every method of selling and raffling is. EVEN IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM, you place a value on the item you're selling. you could be raffling off interstellar remnants and have GB and SB as the only options, but you decide how much GB/SB a ticket is worth, and most people will often say "if i don't get x amount of SB tickets and x amount of GB tickets, i'm cancelling the raffle." that is LITERALLY putting your own opinion of the item's value. this suggestion is merely allowing this value placement to be extended towards tickets. maybe there's a player with an app that they haven't thought to sell but they don't want, and maybe you really want that app, but it's worth 15x more than the 10SB ticket price. with this suggestion, you would be able to make it easier to exchange goods by making that app worth 15 tickets!

full support, SLAMMING that button!!

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