I was emphasizing that the problem is that that is the system. It's not the best, but it's fair and easier to do the raffles as they are. Asking for such drastic changes is selfish. You're trying to completely convert a perfectly good system (raffles) with the "perks" of a forum which, in reality, isn't a perk. It's just another way to limit people who don't have what you're looking for.
In your scenario with the app, that's what trades are for. You set a buyout for what that item is worth to you and wait for offers or a buyout. This doesn't even make sense, why would you let yourself be forced to put in an app as a ticket when they could sell that app for some good currency? Then the app is completely wasted for the person who entered it if they don't win. If you WANT to give the item fine but why say it's "worth" x amount of tickets when the ridiculous prices around the site could get you frickin' 90GB? Who would ever sell themselves so short? This is exactly what I mean by prices being opinionated so harshly. Claiming so many tickets are the same as plain GB is fairly stupid unless the raffle is for 100GB or something crazy and it's worth the risk.

I sure as heck wouldn't waste the opportunity for GB for some tickets that are highly likely not going to do anything in your favor. A raffle, as I've said, is like a lottery. You take risks, so yes some people would love this idea but honestly they must already be really well off to be able to do that. that's an insane request. The GB, SB and item options allow everyone to have a chance. You list the items you want, the GB, and the SB. This gives 3 methods and lets people who don't have an item you request or GB to still get a chance in with SB.

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but it's not limiting them. they can still pay in normal currency and buy the same amount of tickets, they would just need to pay in currency rather than items. and as for your mentioning of disadvantaging the "in-game poor", i think that's not quite true either. many "in-game poor" players received the divine applicator during the July event, so maybe they'd like to enter a raffle where tickets are 500SB but they don't want to pay that, so instead they use their applicator that they don't want to get a ticket.

as for who would sell themselves short, no offense, but it's an economy. i know you're trying to be righteous here, but if you have something people want, like a leopon, and you say you want apps for your leopon or 500SB tickets, some people are gonna gamble for your pon, and you'll make a profit, while one person made a lucky gamble. you take a little bit from a lot of people end up making a profit, while one person gives a little bit as a gamble and possibly gets a huge profit, thats how raffles are supposed to work. if in real life, a raffle was running where you could buy one ticket with a one dollar bill (like buying a ticket with 1SB), a 100 dollar bill (like buying with 1GB), or a 1000 dollar bill (like buying with an app), EVERYONE would pay with the one dollar bill because why on earth would you pay more than you need to? HOWEVER, that's not how real life raffles work. in real life, you buy one ticket with $1, 100 tickets with $100, and 1000 tickets with $1000. and if someone decides that their raffle tickets are worth $2 instead of $1, then you can either enter that raffle or find a cheaper one. as sinister as you make it sound, the economy runs based on people making their own personal judgments on how much their item is worth.

again, you would still have normal currency, everyone would still get "a chance", even though with the current set-up, you can still choose to only accept items for raffle tickets, so as nice it would be to "give everyone a chance", it's simply not fair to the seller to expect them to accept something they don't want just so everyone gets a chance.

the system proposed would still have those three methods, it would just allow people to trade in items for what they're worth rather than have no one pay in items because it's not worth giving a divine applicator for one measly, 10SB ticket.

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Righteous? I think you're looking too deeply into my reason for posting my opinion. lol That's so far off. It has nothing to do with morals, this is all just observation, opinion and struggles with getting things I want because I don't have the money to do so, as do a lot of other people. I'm not speaking for anyone, just saying there are those out there that have the same issue with this as me. Pointing out the simple fact that there are those this would harshly effect. That's not me trying to be righteous, simply stating a fact. Sorry, I find it a little funny you chose that word; that's something said as either a compliment (which I laughingly refuse because are you serious?) or a taunting method which, also, don't waste your time trying to piss me off.
Yeah, I have the free time to be having this conversation, but the internet doesn't effect my mental state/be offended by typed words. So however you meant that, it's best you don't assume things of people.

Now, back to the matter at hand. You're only speaking for yourself or for the people you've seen do it, in terms of selling something seriously worth currency instead of 500SB. I can't imagine why anyone would, but if they can, cool whatever. That's good for them. But do take a note of how many members there are with over 1,000 active every day. Many are stingy, many are greedy, and many don't give a damn. You're just as likely to have that group of people with this raffle or this idealistic raffle. You can't change the people on Lioden, even if this re-haul were to happen people would still cancel constantly and/or ask ridiculous amounts for small stuff. My point in this all is this:

It's far too much work for the staff who already gave you a very efficient raffle system. I don't think it's fair of the members to keep asking for more and more when the site has decided the raffles are the kind of fair they wish to have on the site, else they wouldn't have made it as they did.

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woah... easy does it haha i was just trying to be understanding in a positive way. if you're saying you weren't trying to be righteous, then cool cool, you weren't righteous. fine by me, although it was rather presumptuous of you to assume that i had intended to make you angry, but i don't blame you for making assumptions, it's only human. i have no desire to make you angry, though... you seem very stressed out without my adding to your troubles lol

i don't agree, i think the current raffle system needs serious adjustments, to make it more beneficial to item exchange. it was educational to hear your point of view, though. although, i do think it would do you well to demonstrate a bit more tact in presenting your opinion, lest you risk aggravating your debate partner!

edit; don't worry, by the way, i personally was not aggravated by what you said to me in the least, although i think you were quite harsh towards some of the other supporters, but that's none of my business haha, nor is it something to be discussed here

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this topic still has my support! i hope it is implemented into the game! it has far more supports than no supports! i'll be keeping an eye out for it!

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See, there you go again. Why can no one communicate without making assumptions? First I'm "righteous" now I'm "stressed". That's the only thing irritating me, that you are making assumptions about me based on a debate.

Well we're all free to have our opinions, and I'm glad you at least read my side of it.

Thanks for your suggestion but I'm well aware my words aren't sugar-coated and can cause people to get irritated, but I don't walk on eggshells. I say what I think (clearly lol) and deal with the rest as it comes. Debates are debates, it'd be no fun if we sat here complimenting each other every other sentence instead of focusing on the conversation.

As I've said, I don't sugar-coat my words or make a note to mellow out anything I say just to appease people. I'm blunt and I always will be, just how I am. I don't think it was harsh so much as an honesty not everyone wants to hear. And even if it was harsh, some truths are harsh. Like I've said there are parts of this I agree with, but the thought that this is some major inconvenience is the thing I find ridiculous. I still can't believe your inconvenience is trying to trump the work you'd be expecting of the staff that already gave a good system. It irks me when people get what they want then ask for more, and in my opinion that's all this thread is. Someone wanting more than they already got. Unfortunately, it does have a lot of supports, but I hope the admins don't spend their time on something like this when they have many other things I'm sure they prioritize.

Also, if it helps you understand my reasoning any with siding with the "too much work for admins" side of this, I've handled sites before and I've had this kind of thing happen several times; it becomes agitating to see and honestly I sympathize with them for having to sift through all this. XD

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100% support!! Will be keeping an eye out, hope this change happens!

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I totally support being able to withdraw tickets at any time for any reason, so long as the raffle creator can cancel the raffle at any time for any reason. What's good for the goose is good for the gander and all that.

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