No need to take that so offensively. I just don't like using those two words in a game without using like in-game rich. XD No need to be sensitive to that extent, just gotta be careful with what you say. People can take things very wrong over the internet as there is no tone to read the atmosphere.

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The problem with the current system is if you want certain items it's not always likely you'll get them- because a rare item gives no more chances then paying with SB. Yes you could exclude the Sb tickets but then you also get less people entering the raffle. And some people want to have an inexpensive option but then there's no real incentive for using a higher ticket item. Sure, someone could put in the description "if I don't get (this) it's getting canceled" but that's more of a force hand, cause something like buffy scrots will give the same chance as the SB but if you sell the buff scrot you can enter the same raffle at least 100 more times so what would be the point of handing the buff scrot to the raffle? This can actually help users from different spectrums because one person can get the items they want, other people can enter and if they use an expensive item, they get its worth as a ticket item too.

As for your other comment, I don't buy GB with real money, never been able to, so I certainly would not put an expensive item in a raffle when I could just trade it for either something else or sell it to enter the raffle several times instead of just once.

It's what alot of people do with forum raffles and it works rather well but as I've stated before, you can also run the risk of getting burned, like you might be misplaced in the raffle you "payed" to enter, or if it's a scam.
And raffles with item tickets don't always get alot of attention either cause again, why enter a raffle with an expensive item if you could sell it and enter another raffle several more times.

It's not just about items either. being able to set values for sb and gb would be great too. Like sometimes when I run a cheap raffle for 5 SB, I'd actually like the idea of 5 sb being like... 20 tickets, so people can get more for less essentially. And a raffle that might otherwise be expensive can have cheaper options too, like 600 SB being worth 30 tickets instead of 1.

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Raffles are also very helpful for the people who need GB or items. If an item is worth it or past it's event month, people will pay for it no sweat. 1GB for a chance at say a Royal Coat of Bast/Seth/Anubis and a chance at breeding a Gilded would be worth the risk. You get enough people that want a chance at a Royal Coat and have a 1Gb setting you could easily have 50Gb heading your way. I don't understand the need for more. I mean what can't you get with 50GB? You could get anything in oasis, probably an item you've been wanting for years - seriously. Hoard good items and have a 1GB raffle. You'll never consider a forum raffle again. XD

I don't understand it, honestly, because there are so many ways to do raffles right now and it's so easy. Say for example you're collecting Cheetah Skulls on your side account because you're doing the evil route but have a grace of the king cheetah already and someone is selling a really good item for cheetah skull tickets. You already have the item so you put in the skulls you've collected (I've reached 90) and you're all but guaranteed a prize.
Explore. Hunt. Sell. Exchange SB for GB. Look for what you want, use the search in raffles to your advantage.
Boom, just as effective as "forum raffles" and safer.

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I just don't think it is.. forum raffles, some of them, get a lot of attention and I feel like that's one of the reasons. Very rarely with the current system do I feel like I'm getting an items worth. If I put up a royal coat raffle for 1 GB it's just not going to get alot of attention cause its a very limited way to enter. I'd actually be more likely to get its worth with SB tickets which are available to more players, but if it's the GB I want- I highly doubt it'd collect 50 GB, I suppose I could test that theory, but from what I've seen having a raffle with more ways to enter is better. But if I have the SB tickets people will be less likely to buy with GB, however if Sb was worth 5 tickets and GB worth, say, 30, then people can buy with either tickets, however there is more incentive and worth to spend for the GB tickets. It'd depend what the ticket holder would value most but alsp give options to other people.

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Well of course having all three as an option is the ideal way to enter, no one can dispute that, but I'm saying out 155,351 members to imagine 50 paying 1GB for an item? That's very plausible. I always given the 3 ways as an option unless I need an item.

Still with the "something worth x amount of tickets"? That's all opinion. You may create a raffle you think is perfect but a lot of others are going "I want that item but wtf are they talking about". You can't be closed-minded when you're doing a raffle, you have to realize your opinion doesn't matter. People will pay what they think is right, and the best way to do that is a raffle. Even forum raffles have their rules. Seriously, I don't see where you can put one above the other except in the area of fairness and safety you won't be scammed.

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Of course there's no way to guarantee an entry but you even agreed yourself all 3 is ideal. Of course this is all optional, people don't have to use a specific layout when setting up the raffle, but if people do get better odds entering one way then another, I don't see how it'd hinder a raffle to be able to say how much an item is worth in tickets, or how much Sb is worth in tickets, or GB. People don't have to use the system to input amounts if they don't want to but for those that want to give more incentive to entering one way over another, I don't see a problem with that being an option. If people think a raffle is unfair they still won't enter either way, so it still falls on the person setting up the raffle to find the balance for the best payout, just like now.
Edit: and yes it'd be better if you could do what you do in e forums but safer? That's kinda a big issue for me lol

And i still don't think a raffle for royal coat would get 50 GB but that's really a different topic and something I'll have to test out. (In theory it makes sense but you also have to take into account how many of those player accounts are active, how many would rather just buy the item outright over spending for a chance to get it, etc)

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But that's the fairness of the raffles, you don't get any better odds by choosing one of the three. It's all about the amount.
Well how much an item is worth in tickets is just like the community's idea of GB worth. It's all opinion. That's why the raffles work.

I was just using an example of numbers, there are over 500,000 members, you don't think 50 out of all of those would pay 1GB for something they really want? Be it Interstellar Remnants since that was something you made sure to emphasize was very rare and expensive. I don't doubt for a second people would have given 1GB for a chance at that after all the really high trades.
It is in theory, but take there are 1,700+ members online as I'm writing this. If we held a poll and ever member had to vote if they would or wouldn't spend 1GB instead of a 100GB buyout, do you really doubt which they would choose in majority?

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That may be so, but it'd also depend on who participates in the raffle to begin with. And if we're using an item like interstellar for an example there's still people that are gonna be using more GB then others to increase the chance of getting a raffle item for cheaper.

And in your other point... how exactly is it fair? If 3 people enter a raffle, one uses GB, the other 50 SB, and the last uses a background... obviously these are items of different value, so why wouldn't it be ok to have the option for a raffle to reflect that?

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Yes, but you aren't directly asking that person to use more GB/tickets. They're choosing to pay more. And 1GB is still a chance, all of raffles is a chance as it should be.

Because by letting GB, SB, and those items be an option, the person making the raffle wants those things as payment for the item they're selling. If they get the item, SB, or GB, they see those items/prices as fair for the item they're selling. If you disagree, you simply don't enter that raffle. By creating the raffle and possible tickets they're telling you what they value the selling item for. Simple as that. They want one of the three (at least) as a payment/trade for that item. Some people will end the raffle as soon as the item they want most has been entered as a ticket, but that doesn't mean the person who used that ticket wins the item. It means they were willing to risk it.

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... be warned. I am a rather sarcastic person and people tent to take that the wrong way in online discussions.

-But it's not like anyone is holding a gun to their head to make them use a specific item. I mean, it's incentivised, sure, but not necessary.

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I still think there should be an inexpensive way to enter but yes if you have 3 options, most the time people are gonna pick the most inexpensive ticket because there isn't a payout for more. Why risk something if you aren't gonna get better odds to do it? Yes some people will but it's incredibly unlikely if you have apps or other expensive items for ticket items, even if you don't other options in the raffle, it just won't get much attention because if an app is the ticket item, why risk it for only 1 more chance to get picked?

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all super good ideas!! i never host raffles for most of these reasons! support all the way!

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I can' say I understand you, Eden or Phantom StarsX. I don't know how to dumb down my explaining any better. It seems like you both simply refuse to understand that raffles are fair and more safe as they stand now to your forum raffles. All tickets for raffles are a risk, forum or official. You're asking for control over a random system and I can't wrap my brain around it.

I'm not sure either of you can ever come to understand the other side of this so I'm going to say: I stand 100% by what I said in my original post.

However, I'm no longer going to waste my time writing to you two to try and reason with you that this is all opinion no matter where you go. The community is harsh and steep, and it's tiring to try and make them realize not everyone can fling their in-game currency away or the real currency you buy GB with around without a care.
-Envis

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That... seemed kinda rude but for the record I don't participate in forum raffles either because there is a risk factor of getting over looked or scammed, but if the system is adjusted to be official raffles then that risk goes down, and people are more likely to get what they want hosting a raffle, and participants can get more odds in their favor if they choose a high ticket item, while others can participate in low ticket items. And its not control over a random system, it's simply better odds for better items, whatever constitutes "better" for certain people, this seems more fair in my personal opinion.
It's not that I don't understand what you are saying, I'm trying to explain why i think this to be a good idea. I'm not being rude, I don't need anything dumbed down, it's a difference of opinion open to debate.

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I tend to come across rude, I'm a very blunt person and I don't sugar-coat anything for anyone's feelings, I just am brutally honest. This can easily be taken as rude, but just as a disclaimer I'm not out looking for fights, I have better things to do. But I do love to give my opinion, so there it is. Take it however you do, I can't control how I'm interpreted by individuals.

But the reason I said I was done with it is you're running me in circles. You're not having a progressive debate, you're just countering everything and bringing it back to "fair" and "personal opinion" when personal opinion can't be controlled and you're backing me up at the same time you're trying to disagree with me on that point. I don't think you realize it, but you're proving my point of how heavily opinions rule this community in such a harsh way. I think this is a system we need to leave up to the admins/mods ect. because we are terrible at this community opinion judgment. I am 90% sure if the admins priced everything, most of the community would feel "cheated" while others would be jumping in joy. Sadly the site is divided like that once you get past the game and into interactions.

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