I'd also like to point out that censoring toggles are not a new concept, though have certainly been met with undue outrage by parties who are not the target demographic.

A number of video games contain the ability to turn on/off graphic blood or dismemberment including Assassin's Creed Valhalla. "Grounded" has an Arachnophobia toggle to disable spiders for players who have a phobia. The Last of Us 2 hit it out of the ballpark with accessibility options. Bayonetta 3 has a mode that makes outfits less risque.

And before it's argued "those are triple A games", that's the point. Disabling a 2D art sprite is a much easier task. You set a flag for certain images, and you tie that flag to a toggle that disables them or replaces the image with a stand in if a player has the option set to on. So there's not even an argument for being 'too hard'.

As for why people are arguing? Who the hell knows. Every time players ask for inclusivity options, they get pushback. Interpret that how you will.

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Yeah if the "debates" stayed at "we just don't wanna see it!" then that's fine, the issue I have is with the implications it's more insidious or whatnot than it actually is

Like I'm NOT against it But bringing up "what about the children" or trying to say it's exclusionary towards ace people (including me as an ace person lol) is just idk. Feels weird and overly excessive lol

But people seem to take this the wrong way so ig if it happens it happens! We'll see if they say anything this year about it ^^

I really truly don't have an issue with people not wanting to see it! I just think some of the "arguments"(no one is arguing, just the easiest term to use) are a little too extreme for what the content is

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Exactly. Why are people making an issue out of wanting a toggle? I am no coder at all but just with the flagging of images i could pretty much do it myself.

Not wanting to make a toggle to make the player base more comfortable seems very unessessary to me.

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🦚 Sakasu 🦚[G2
Pecora DF] : we only brought up minors as another reason because people somehow cant accept some lthers whlant a goshdarn toggle, sadly.

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Yeah, I get that!! I'm not mad at anyone here or anything <3

I just wish that some dev would chime in one way or another so this wouldn't feel so futile

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I know. But even if they were to refuse i dont think anyone would stop talking about it... because it still is quite an important thing :(

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🦚 Sakasu 🦚[G2 Pecora DF] (#256269) :: Quote: "Like I'm NOT against it But bringing up "what about the children" or trying to say it's exclusionary towards ace people (including me as an ace person lol) is just idk. Feels weird and overly excessive lol"

A number of other ace folks said they were uncomfortable with it. If you aren't, that's fine, and it just means it's not for you. A mother also said they didn't want their children to see. That's why it was mentioned. I brought up ace exclusion because this site has a history of whenever its LGBTQIA+ users try to post suggestions for inclusivity, there's a small demographic that comes swinging, calling everything from pronouns and representation to topics like this suggestion "unnecessary".

https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429487039&page=2#304445328033
https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429487039&page=3#304445330837
https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429487039&page=4#304445394309
https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429487039&page=4#304445397881
https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429487039&page=5#304445416225
https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429487039&page=5#304445441957

Like, I'm tired of sugar coating it. The pushback it receives feels phobic. Not your commentary, but a lot of the "it's unnecessary" commentary. A *lot* of updates this site gets are unnecessary.

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Tbh the fact that people are saying "I'm uncomfortable with sexual stuff" and people are pushing back basically trying to take away from people speaking up by saying things like "it's unnecessary" even though it has absolutely nothing to do with them and they can opt out of the toggle.. it's icky. If I can do anything to make someone more comfortable, especially when it comes to things like that... I'm going to do it. Like really just say you don't care about others feelings - which is not okay, especially when you don't know why someone is uncomfortable by such content... if it doesn't affect you and it has nothing to do with you, what is the point of arguing it? Other than to feel like you're somehow a bigger person...

I hate drama and I don't want to get involved, but it upsets me so much how people genuinely don't care about others discomfort.

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While I don't see it as a necessary implication or addition, I do respect that the developers of Lioden need to hear out the players that keep their site running. People have voiced that they aren't comfortable with the imagery, where be it someone with trauma or someone that just isn't into that side of life.

Let's face it, we cannot guarantee that everyone that goes on this site and signs up is actually up to, or 16 years old. There is no viable verification other than clicking a little box, putting in a possibly fake birthday, and adding your email. Even if it is mentioned that this site shows NSFW content, it is ignorant to believe that everyone that agrees to it has actually read through all of it. When was the last time you read through an update before agreeing to it and allowing it to change your device/program? All it does is relinquish Lioden of responsibility of what you're exposed to, similar to a porn site asking if you're 18 years of age.

What it boils down to is the developers standing up for their players and adding in a simple toggle like the, "Temporarily Remove Decor," toggle. It isn't a matter of they can't do it, it's a matter of them not wanting to take the time to do it. It's vile that this suggestion has been up for nearly a year and it still hasn't even been acknowledged. I don't personally care if someone believes that this add in is not needed, I don't care if the images do not bother that player because obviously there are players that have said that they are bothered.

To suggest that a player should miss out on the most in game profitable month is an example of segregation, and it is because of what the developers willingly expose them to. Taking a good group of people and telling them to not participate because of the way they feel towards it is shutting out at least a 1/4 of the players on here. Would you look at a recovering alcoholic, tell them you were throwing them a party at a bar and then tell them to just not go when they express that they don't want to be in a place where they have to see or be around alcohol? I know that's an extreme comparison but I'm trying to get a point across.

I in no way mean any ill will to the developers of this game/platform but I do wish they would respect their players. I do not think they are doing a bad job or anything negative, it is just irritating to see them ignore the people that most likely pay them for GB. I want them to step up and make the game a hair more inclusive for the people that just don't wanna see images of animals having s3x when they don't have to.

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I commented on this thread, almost a year ago, when it was first created. I’ve been reading all of the comments that have been posted. There are some pretty solid arguments being made for why a toggle is needed.

Personally I agree the toggle needs to happen!! I feel like the comfortability of everyone involved, especially players who play on mobile because they are at work, or players, like me, who are Mothers and have young children…for us the toggle is necessary.
I also feel like it’s equally necessary for those people who are not comfortable with the imagery.

Devs, to grant the toggle would be showing concern for the players who expend their time, energy, and irl resources, supporting Lioden!!

Please consider everyone’s thoughts and viewpoints, as to the reasons why the toggle is being requested!! You would literally be changing this game for so many of us.

So here is what I’m gonna do. I am going to stay positive. And I am going to hope that the developers give us the toggle. I’m going to choose to believe they do care about all our feelings!!
Even though there hasn’t been any response as of yet, February event hasn’t started, we still have time!!
Y’all we never know what could happen in those few weeks. We also don’t know what the Devs have been working on over the past year. So I would like to think that our voice is important to them, and that they will hear us and act.

This toggle could be in another quality of life update!! You never know.

Moving forward I truly don’t think that this should be a point of argument, one side versus the other.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, feelings and viewpoints, and they should be respected on both sides.

Arguing is pointless. Bashing others because of their personal feelings is senseless.
It will get us no where!!! So let’s all strive to be positive and get along. We can simply agree to disagree!

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I had to come back. I am massively disappointed. The fact that they are giving an option is great, but the overall community’s response in this poll is disheartening. It seems many are fine with the encounters as they are. I am kinda flabbergasted right now.

It doesn’t seem the majority wants to change anything about the encounters.
I don’t think anyone is taking into consideration those who work, or have to explore in public settings, or those with children or circumstances that don’t allow for private play.

I’ll keep hoping for the best. I suppose it’s great. We now know the devs did at least consider this.
I can only hope they do something about it.

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Maybe they will consider between the two options combined with people wanting things changed. It's a good portion. Like around 1/2.

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Hopefully. Which is why I think the TOGGLE is the best option. It doesn’t affect those who don’t mind the imagery. And it protects those who would prefer not to see it.

I kinda feel a poll is a cop out. A poll implies they tried. But the community as whole, preferred no change. That is still not taking into consideration the feelings of those who want the toggle. Which again is why the toggle is the best option. Everybody is happy with the toggle. It’s a win-win.

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seriously, its dumb that they dont want to put a toggle. it would be SO MUCH more simple then redoing everything omg...

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I wasn't thrilled to see the poll either, honestly. The encounters don't need changing so much as players need a way to not see them or similar uncomfortable imagery. Keeping the current art as is is fine imo, especially if there's less of a workload involved in coding a toggle or an encounter blocker like the marking censor. If the community votes to keep the current art I hope they really consider a toggle for this.

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