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| Posted by | [FEB] In-game Sexual Art Toggle |
 Firenkyo 🌼 (#128989) Holy View Forum Posts  Posted on 2023-01-09 20:54:43 |
Hey! So, February has a lot of sexual art. For many users, it is awkward, uncomfortable, and/or disturbing to see. I am proposing an in-game toggle that just removes the art from these encounters but keeps the text. So, for instance, the mating achromatic and melanistic lion decor would just show the explore biome background and no character art, but would still show the usual text and options. I am aware that there is a tutorial on the wiki (https://www.lioden.wiki/blocking-images) to block the sexual images. However, many other users probably are not, and it is not stated on any event posts or on the event page. This method also requires an extension to be downloaded, and will not work on mobile. I know several lioden players, myself included, that play on mobile and would really like to stop seeing all that.  Yes, this game is 16+, and no genitalia is shown, but users can still feel uncomfortable with it. There are already in-game toggles for a variety of things, like pregnant images, custom decor on lions, and of course the marking censor. There is also the opportunity to opt out of the event entirely, but seeing as not all of the encounters are sexual and the event is a major money maker for players I don't think it's a valid option for people just interested in losing the sexual art. To restate - a toggle, perhaps on the event page or on your user profile, that gives the option to remove sexual images from explore encounters. If not that, a link to the wiki page about blocking images would be nice on the news post or event page. I'm not sure how difficult this idea would be to implement, but I think it might be a good thing to think on for future Feb events! Additional suggestions! From Lunarmoon - the mating encounter is hidden behind a bush From Taevali - the mating encounter is replaced by a black screen or a nsfw warning to prevent the player from skipping over the encounter by accident From Fern [side] - this toggle or another one would also block out extreme gore like that seen in the March event To restate, this would be a TOGGLE, so users that prefer the explore to be the same would simply not turn the toggle on. It would not affect their gameplay in any way. |
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Firenkyo 🌼 (#128989)
Holy View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-26 23:32:41 |
Honestly...? The poll kinda feels like it wants to skew answers in a specific way. A toggle is so much simpler and I'm pretty damn sure they've seen this suggestion, so why isn't it in the poll? Considering other things have a poll without redrawing stuff (like the pregnancy pose having a toggle instead of having decor redraw to fit it), it doesn't make sense that they'd jump immediately to redrawing encounters. Especially when their workload is so heavy!  11 players like this post! Like? |
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༄❥BeautifulDisas ter*ᥫ᭡ ೃ༄꧂ (#96801) Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-26 23:42:22 |
Right. The more I think about it, I feel like it’s a slap in the face. This poll is majorly upsetting. It’s beyond that, It’s just plain insulting. Redrawing art is seemingly a huge undertaking. Is that even possible or does that even make sense in the middle of an event? Why won’t a toggle work? So Devs, You’d rather load yourself further than to institute a simple toggle that keeps everyone happy. If a player wants to have the encounters, great! If not wonderful. It’s a win-win. The toggle option works for each and every player involved. To know how many are against this idea is upsetting enough. It feels like we are fighting a losing battle.  This is a fact I just didn’t want to believe. I really wanted to hold out hope we would be heard. 9 players like this post! Like?Edited on 26/01/24 @ 23:43:23 by BeautifulDisaster07 (#96801) |
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🦚 Sakasu 🦚 G1 Ukame Ennedi (#256269) Frivolous View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-27 00:08:48 |
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AlexCorvid|No-stress November (#322877) 
Witcher View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-27 00:18:25 |
Lioden admins. YOUR OPTIONS ARE NOT INCLUSIVE ENOUGH. TOGGLE THEM!! TOGGLE! 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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AlexCorvid|No-stress November (#322877)
Witcher View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-27 00:22:47 |
I'm ace and most intimate things of that style make me cringe in the manner that I want to curl up around myself and shrink from discomfort. Like crawling out my skin just avoid it. Developers? ARE YOU INSULTING ME?! cus I'd rather you do it my face of this is how you approach it. Just toggle the damn encounters. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 27/01/24 @ 00:23:14 by AlexCorvid[mcdonalds]Ros Labs (#322877) |
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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)
Holy View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-27 00:42:19 |
Unfortunately, devs have been kinda bad about transparency and accurate information in polls, to the point ive got a suggestion asking for better clarity 0 players like this post! Like? |
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༄❥BeautifulDisas ter*ᥫ᭡ ೃ༄꧂ (#96801) Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-27 00:42:58 |
Mad Hyena (#29080)
Necromancer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-27 03:33:54 |
The poll pretty much shows my thoughts over toggle being too complex to code are correct. The toggle is not a simplier option, it is in fact a much more complicated and problematic option. There's just TOO many different opinions to make a toggle for each individual person's tastes. Its not possible to provide a turn off button for everything; there are too many things people want hidden. People want to hide mating encounters, blood, gore, dying animals, monsters, humans, spiders, holes, insects, the list is ENDLESS. If one toggle is made, ALL other people will demand their uncomfortable topics to be toggled, as well, making it a forever line of toggles - admins will have to work on coding solely toggles if they beging making them. It is up to you to block things on your own device to solve the issue if you're uncomfortable with something. Lioden cannot provide so many toggles for every single thing that can possibly upset people.  "I dont want a toggle for everything, I just want a toggle for MY uncomfortable thing, just make one for me" is NOT a good argument. Its your opinion, but its as valid for every other person on the game, so if one toggle is made for one group of people, then ALL other people will have the claim to demand their fears being toggled, as well, creating an endless list of toggles for a million of things people want hidden. Its just not possible for Lioden to provide a personalised option for every single person on site! I understand its frustrating when not all people share your opinion, hence where the defensive "I dont care about others, I just want my opinion" come from; but admins cannot just grant one group their opinion without it having consequences, they must consider a broader userbase in general. Adding a single toggle will create a precedent and force admins choosing between two evils; to have to constantly code an endless line of toggles OR to show favoritism and start picking which of the users are worth their fears getting a toggle and which arent worth it. Both these options are bad, and compared to them, yes, redrawing a handful of encounters is an easier way to solve an issue! 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 27/01/24 @ 04:13:38 by Mad Hyena (#29080) |
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InTheEnd (#229422)
Cursed View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-27 04:20:51 |
I think the poll doesn't give much justice to the community, and really works in favor of those who do not want any change. Asking to address the issue is a yes or no question, there is no need for a third option. Sadly, any vote for the middle option will be considered wasted, and will only lead to further divide between those who would just be happy to toggle the encounters. I understand those who say that a toggle may be difficult to implement because many others might want to hide their own phobias, but this is one thing that many people requested, for quite some time. Speaking from a personal opinion, as an asexual, it doesn't make me uncomfortable, it just makes me cringe. (Regardless of the encounters' problematic nature, which is a whole can of worms itself. Why should my king watch them? Why should I help the dwarf do the deed despite the lioness's visible discomfort? A bit disturbing if you give it a second thought.) But even forgetting these issues, and only talking about the drawings itself, ignoring the underlying content, there is still a large group of people who are against these encounters, with currently over 600+ supporting. This is not a small amount. I've yet to see another thread where people suggest the toggle of spiders/humans/holes, whatever with this overbearing support. If many people are uncomfortable with it, for whatever reason, why should they be thrown under the bus? It doesn't affect those who are okay with these encounters. People play these games for enjoyment, and they have all the right to voice their concerns. I still believe that a toggle would be the best option. For me, the poll feels rather ambiguous. (Please excuse my ramblings, I'm super tired) 1 player likes this post! Like?Edited on 27/01/24 @ 04:21:48 by InTheEnd (#229422) |
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Mad Hyena (#29080)
Necromancer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-27 06:21:34 |
The amount of supports depends primarily on how much a topic is bumped and advertised by its creator. The earliest toggle suggested was that of spider encounters in explore, and Im pretty sure it would also have as much supports as this topic, had the user opening it bumped it quite as often to keep it up in top and visible. Its not at all an indicator of how much the feature is desired by the community - the current voting is the proof of that. 1000+ people vote there be no changes at all. SO more people desire it not being changed, but there isnt 1000 non-supports on this topic. Its all very fluctuating and what the community wishes changes constantly. What is certain, however, is that admins cannot just grant one group's wishes at the expense of opening the box of pandora by it. Its extremely important to take into account what long lasting consequences the decision will bear, and while I agree with users stating "I just support my opinion, I dont care what other people want" have the right to their opinion, the admins DO have to consider those consequences. They're not ignoring nor disregarding you when they cannot grant you what you wish exactly, it just means they take other things into consideration too. Refusing to accept the fact toggle isnt a simple thing to implement will sadly not make it any less complicated. It is only simple if you consider JUST your own, single opinion, and disregard long-lasting consequences. If you take more than your opinion into consideration, it immediately stops being so simple to add. And Lioden admins have to consider more than one opinion before making their decision. 1 player likes this post! Like?Edited on 27/01/24 @ 07:06:51 by Mad Hyena (#29080) |
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Equagga|G2 Vagabond Splash (#105402)
Punk View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-27 07:07:14 |
I said in an earlier reply to this post that the toggle could be as simple as all event encounter art > off. Coding for separate squicks would be nice but not necessary, and those who genuinely do not want to see things like the February animal sex will be happier not seeing any event encounters at all than ones that gross them out whenever the rng feels like it. Remember that Lioden's current official stance on what to do if you don't like the event art is to manually load each image url into a blocker. Can a dev not do this once into script for a toggle? The code for a toggle already exists (pregnant lionesses), they have all the urls, the code perhaps just needs to be adapted to work in explore. (A more sophisticated option would be an explore-images version of the marking blocker with images sorted by month and/or content, but again, that would be nice but not needed. A basic opt out is all that is needed.) I thus agree that the poll is 1) going to skew towards no change, and thus useless and 2) the options for change are larger workloads than necessary. No one is asking for new art or new encounters. Currently, 'change the art to have them scattering' is only ~200 votes shy of being equal to 'change nothing.' I hope that if the percentages continue to be that close to equal, then the devs consider taking the second-place finisher in recognition that if nearly half of your userbase would rather the option to not see this, maybe there should be changes. Lioden's always had a lot of technically not nsfw but definitely raunchy jokes and images. However, the site's userbase is larger and not the same as it used to be. 'They don't have to play if they don't like it.' It's a game about making pretty colored lions. That's the game we're here to play. An image of mating lions does not pop up every time you breed a lioness, it's not integral to game play (not that such a thing would be anyway..). The sex and scat jokes, while funny to some, are not what the clear majority of the userbase is here for. And the poll does show that. 6 players like this post! Like? |
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𓃠 Skyward 𓅂 (#443402)
UwU View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-27 07:15:12 |
The number of people who vote for the art not being changed isn’t necessarily the number of people who would vote for a toggle. Some people might like the images but understand the plight of those who don’t, some people might wish to turn the images off temporarily when they’re in public but rely on the images for enhanced exploring otherwise, some people just don’t want the artists to draw unnecessary things when jaglions and the spirited pose are so highly anticipated. 3 players like this post! Like? |
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InTheEnd (#229422)
Cursed View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-27 07:19:00 |
I know that with the old coding, a toggle would be difficult to create, and just easier to add new art and remove the problematic bits altogether. But as far as I am updated, the new coding rehaul is already on its way, so in the future, it would be more compatible to implement, and by then, yes, more toggles can be added for spiders/snakes, whatever, if there is a large request. I think users can trust in a game to respect boundaries. It might be a surprise, but there even are some 18+ video games where it is also an option to censor nudity/blood/gore. (Ac Valhallha or Horizon as far as I know). So it is absolutely possible, especially in the case of complex and detailed games, in the same vein as markings can also be censored. I think I would just prefer if the whole issue would be addressed more properly, without counting the poll, because that ship has already sailed. I don't think anyone would be angry at the devs for not implementing the toggle as of now if that's currently out of the question, we can wait, but that is not how it was communicated, making the poll a bit misleading. 3 players like this post! Like? |
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Lightning (project king) (#232326) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-27 07:19:31 |
That's a good point @skyward I wonder why we couldn't have two polls. One on if we wanted the toggle or not. Then a second poll for what we have currently. Sometimes it takes multiple questions to adress an issue. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Az [G1 Ennedi, NRLC] (#120781)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-27 07:36:30 |
I think it’s wild that we asked for something simple and instead they’re making us choose between nothing at all, or making the dev’s work harder. It’s a lose/lose situation, and it almost feels like a punishment (like asking a parent for candy and instead of letting you have the one you asked for, they tell you to eat it all so you don’t bug them about it again). Also, I think I’ve mentioned it before, but Wolvden has a damn toggle for spiders. What’s the reason for us not getting a toggle? It doesn’t make any sense. 4 players like this post! Like? |
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