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| Posted by | [FEB] In-game Sexual Art Toggle |
 Firenkyo 🌼 (#128989) Holy View Forum Posts  Posted on 2023-01-09 20:54:43 |
Hey! So, February has a lot of sexual art. For many users, it is awkward, uncomfortable, and/or disturbing to see. I am proposing an in-game toggle that just removes the art from these encounters but keeps the text. So, for instance, the mating achromatic and melanistic lion decor would just show the explore biome background and no character art, but would still show the usual text and options. I am aware that there is a tutorial on the wiki (https://www.lioden.wiki/blocking-images) to block the sexual images. However, many other users probably are not, and it is not stated on any event posts or on the event page. This method also requires an extension to be downloaded, and will not work on mobile. I know several lioden players, myself included, that play on mobile and would really like to stop seeing all that.  Yes, this game is 16+, and no genitalia is shown, but users can still feel uncomfortable with it. There are already in-game toggles for a variety of things, like pregnant images, custom decor on lions, and of course the marking censor. There is also the opportunity to opt out of the event entirely, but seeing as not all of the encounters are sexual and the event is a major money maker for players I don't think it's a valid option for people just interested in losing the sexual art. To restate - a toggle, perhaps on the event page or on your user profile, that gives the option to remove sexual images from explore encounters. If not that, a link to the wiki page about blocking images would be nice on the news post or event page. I'm not sure how difficult this idea would be to implement, but I think it might be a good thing to think on for future Feb events! Additional suggestions! From Lunarmoon - the mating encounter is hidden behind a bush From Taevali - the mating encounter is replaced by a black screen or a nsfw warning to prevent the player from skipping over the encounter by accident From Fern [side] - this toggle or another one would also block out extreme gore like that seen in the March event To restate, this would be a TOGGLE, so users that prefer the explore to be the same would simply not turn the toggle on. It would not affect their gameplay in any way. |
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Fraekincense (#57572)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-15 08:09:06 |
@Eli - I am in therapy because of some of the stuff I was exposed to as a child thanks to having access to a computer at 2 years old back in 2000/2001 (my dad used to work in installing computers/internet/dial up so had easy access) I can confirm I am 100% messed up and have a lot of mental health issues and a chronic health condition thats often triggered by trauma which is why I cannot work. 🤷♀️ Its amazing what affects you later in life, especially with our younger years being where we really develop, and often obsess over things.  4 players like this post! Like?Edited on 15/01/24 @ 08:57:24 by Fraekinn [FullBO6xSeal] (#57572) |
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☆🪼Warden🪼☆ g1 ambro (#244875) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-15 08:11:54 |
Yeah. I barely just found explicit writing and i am now in a very odd place with anything to do to this. I cant even imagine what seeing mating animals at that age could be. 4 players like this post! Like? |
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𐂂 Neon Genesis 𐂂 (#164933) Maneater View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-15 08:20:42 |
If you look back just a few pages, you'll see that I support a toggle. What I don't support is demonizing Lioden for the fact that it exists, and spreading false information. 2 players like this post! Like? |
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☆🪼Warden🪼☆ g1 ambro (#244875) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-15 08:26:09 |
Who the hell even "demonized" lioden? You are over exagerating this way out of proportions. Yes, i stated my own country's laws, assuming the US would be smart enough to be similar. Its not like i went around saying you were wrong and i was right, i stated its like this here and that even though it isnt TECHNICALLY illegal, it is in my very own opinion immoral and unethical. No one is saying lioden is in legal trouble and im not saying devs are assholes, in fact, i am probably one of the people who defend them the most in every aspect of the game's criticism, but this is one i cant defend them in, and i will always keep asking for a february toggle because i my opinion it is needed. 5 players like this post! Like? |
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Lightning (project king) (#232326) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-15 08:26:13 |
Also to make note on the point of toggling. It's just five interactions in February. Then a single 2 encounters in april. I don't know why this toggle would be too hard. Since it's a very few slim amount of well images. Like most of these months (February and april) don't even really have that much of the imagery. Even as a site, lioden seems to be moving away from those images. I have been playing since 2021 and more of those haven't been added. A toggle wouldn't hurt anyone. It might take a little bit while to code but it's so highly requested and it helps people feel more comfortable. 6 players like this post! Like?Edited on 20/01/24 @ 21:29:02 by Lightning (g1 lilac patches) (#232326) |
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Fraekincense (#57572)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-15 08:33:39 |
No one is demonising Lioden, no one is raising hell threatening to get the site shut down. We are troubled by the fact Lioden does NOT offer a toggle on content like this for people who are sex-averse, to protect the minors that DO play the game below the UK age of consent (because thats where lioden is based and which laws it must abide by - 16). We are asking for the RIGHT TO CHOOSE. 5 players like this post! Like?Edited on 15/01/24 @ 08:33:53 by Fraekinn [FullBO6xSeal] (#57572) |
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☆🪼Warden🪼☆ g1 ambro (#244875) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-15 08:35:44 |
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🦚 Sakasu 🦚 G1 Ukame (#256269) Frivolous View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-15 13:11:52 |
I feel like there is a huge difference between explicit writings and seeing an image of two animals mounting one another. Like, besides the obvious implication that they're mating bc they're mounting, there's nothing explicit... the text that accompanies it isn't like "oh hell yeah this is SOOO sexy" there's no intent to arouse from the images. They're not educational by any means, but they're just kind of. Neutral? Animal documentaries have animal penis and animal sex constantly lmao but they're at least I guess "educational", but no one readonable would say that those should be absolutely forbidden for minors to see. So it's not a great comparison even though those are way more "explicit"(still, naturally, no intent to arouse) Where coming across fanfiction/writings/books and images meant for adults do. I've said it before, that I'm not AGAINST a toggle, I doubt it will happen because Abbey has already said that she thinks the site has too many toggles and she wants to avoid anymore because she hates them, and it's her site at the end of the day. But I DO think it's kind of weird for people to be comparing a handful of non explicit animal mounting pictures to actual literal pornography(material produced with the intent to arouse) 0 players like this post! Like? |
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☆🪼Warden🪼☆ g1 ambro (#244875) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-15 13:22:09 |
We didnt compare it in that way at all. We just said that if one can harm the way your brain ends up talking, so could this. 5 players like this post! Like? |
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Fraekincense (#57572)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-15 13:35:49 |
Also most people consent to watching a documentary... If people don't want to see it they can change the channel 😅 As well, as players we KNOW the art/intent is innocent - its the people who may see it in our day to day life that don't! Especially with feb being so key to the economy people tend to get explore/slaps etc done when they can - commuting, at a restaurant etc! 5 players like this post! Like?Edited on 15/01/24 @ 13:42:10 by Fraekinn [FullBO6xSeal] (#57572) |
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🦚 Sakasu 🦚 G1 Ukame (#256269) Frivolous View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-15 13:44:15 |
There's nothing forcing you to play the events with imagery you don't like either.  So are you not consenting to the content in lioden by signing up for it? You don't have to explore during feb, you could turn off event for exploring and then turn it back on and just do slapping/flrting. Again, I've said this in every comment I've made, that i don't care if a toggle is added or not, but it's not like the content is absolutely unavoidable and it's not the site's fault if kids lie to get in under 16yo, and it's not their responsibility to make sure it's all 100% kid friendly when that's not their target audience. It's the parents' responsibility to make sure their younger kids are being safe online. Easier said than done, I'm sure. I kind of wish a dev would chime in and say "we're considering this" or "sorry this isn't going to happen" All I'm saying is half the comments surrounding actual erotic content compsring the two are a weird false equivalency IMO 0 players like this post! Like? |
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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)
Holy View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-15 13:58:05 |
Popping in briefly to say: Players shouldn't be forced to sit out an event with some of the most sought after items simply because they aren't comfortable with the imagery of animals mating, full stop. That's unfair to ask. Accessibility features should be available to everyone. That's the point of an accessibility feature. So everyone can participate equally and comfortably. 9 players like this post! Like? |
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☆🪼Warden🪼☆ g1 ambro (#244875) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-15 13:58:19 |
Nothing is forcing anyone to play in february thats true. But FUCK, is that a shitty come back "just dont play it", if i can hide all event activity why cant i hide sexual imagery? Sure it can suck to make an extra toggle, but at this point, a LOT of people want / need it. If everyone who is uncomfortable w/ feb stops playing the event... not only will the item rarity increase but the market will change. Dont underestimate the amount of people who want a toggle. Sure, they could stop playing the event, but that just sucks and its shitty. A toggle will bring NOTHING NEGATIVE. All of it's outcomes are PURELY AND ONLY POSITIVE. 6 players like this post! Like? |
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Admiral Potato (#160098)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-15 14:02:07 |
I'm not going to hop on one side or the other, I don't care about mating animals. that's what animals do. LD is not pegi rated (I guess?), but Pegi 16 is pretty much what lioden is: 'This rating is applied once the depiction of violence (or sexual activity) reaches a stage that looks the same as would be expected in real life.' (https://pegi.info/) And we all agreed to the ToS. If anyone is under 16 or some images are illegal in your country, you must not register. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Quit (#412633)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-15 14:03:22 |
I still don't get why theres a full on debate over something like this. A toggle won't force EVERYONE to not see the encounters, its a toggle. You can chose to have it on or off, asking players to not play one of the best events money-making wise because the encounters make them uncomfortable isn't going to solve anything, just kick the can further down the road, as the main issue is still there. Edit to add cuz I forgot: even if you're an adult playing lioden (which I will be this august), the images of animals mating can still make you uncomfy, and choosing not to see them is perfectly reasonable 8 players like this post! Like?Edited on 15/01/24 @ 14:05:09 by SᕼIᖴTIᑎGᗯᗩTEᖇS #FuckBushveld (#412633) |
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