Right now I think a cooldown is the best solution, meaning they still have to age at some point! They might even age over a week's worth of days before they can be "hibernated" again.

And with what Seidhr said, I think it's safe to assume that a lion in stasis would theoretically be untouchable, just like it's on another unrolled account. No hunger, no age, no stat items, no hunting or patrolling. At this point I don't entirely see why males can't be hibernated as long as they're in stasis. Although kings should probably be excluded from being able to be frozen since that is pretty broken and doesn't make sense, I just assumed that was the case. ^^ Unless you meant something else by eternally sustaining kings, Yharnam? /gen

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I mean to be fair, in terms of mechanics, kings are always in their own little spot so I don't see that changing with this either, but as I see it- If (big if I know) they do something like this to ease up on the amount of issues surrounding freezer accounts and threads being locked before feb because of advertisements because there's no safe space to store lions without risking them aging into retirement too soon before feb even rolls around, never mind praying T3 of the shop opens quick enough, it will essentially act as the same concept of a freezer account just in a den instead so players can enjoy the game on both accounts to benefit themselves and the general economy of LD, because more people playing and getting stuff, the longer it circulates in the markets and keeps it reliable.
Plus I mean.. If you're a stat breeder, it will make it easy to track and sell lions since they're still on your account, which means you can list them on threads for sale, it's a lot of security that I honestly wish to have on LD because there's a lot of loop holes for scammers, not everyone is going to be nice and understanding sadly.

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leon 🤎 🐮 (#208511) : "Unless you meant something else by eternally sustaining kings, Yharnam?"

Yeah was more referring to shitting out a high stat heir end of life, shoving it in the den and using both accounts to power level the ever loving shit out of earning things for it, popping it out every now and then to shove egg yolks for the duration of that 1 week mentioned cooldown while you patrol it, shove it back in, farm a ton more, etc. Rinse and repeat with it and the queen of your choice until both are about 13 years old, king it, shove every tort and whatever you've amassed in it, yolks daily, 50 dove feasts daily, crap out a new heir and repeat.

My worry is that it'd basically create this eternally upward cycling threshold for a king, pushing each generation's stats to obscene levels, with the addition of the second account to double-fist farming.

Maybe this is already possible with the current system. I'm just incredibly leery about giving players the ability to freeze lions. All of us average players are already struggling to make a buck in the current economy. Would this also affect folks freezing and collecting raffle gals? I'm just worried.

I think the better option is mods just cracking down on funneling TBH.

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That makes more sense than what I thought you meant and I see what you're saying. It could already be theoretically possible by using an outside freezer and using your two accounts to grind like that? But I'm not at all a statter so I have no idea.

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That is already possibly as it is, and I already know people who are doing that with help from freezer accounts. Creating a safer area to store those lions just ensures security for the owner. My own stat king plan wont be over until 2027 and that really wont change with an addition of a freezer cave. If freezer caves are added only lionesses and sub males would be able to be thrown into them. No items, kings, or food. All it would do is offer a safer place for a user to store their lions. Instead of looking at a friend or another user who isnt as committed to events to help out.

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When I have a bit more time I'll update the first topic post with everyone's suggestions ♥

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I think I would be content with this if it was limited and subscription based.

The ability to unlock up to two Submale slot, ten lioness slots and ten cub / adol slots.

Perhaps make unlocking them cost 1 GB per slot, and the subscription be 20 GB for 30 days.

I think Lions need to die for a reason. It helps the market stay healthy. I think sustaining this should be difficult and costly.

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It's honestly a really iffy idea, while it has pros it had game destroying cons.

Personally I can get 30-33 egg yolks down an heir every few days, about 300 every 30 days if I remember my math right. 600 if you double that. Egg yolks are extremely easy to abuse, but you can only gold up to 600 at any given time, 300 per account if you're wanting to use every single on one an heir. I belive anyway, I can't remember my explanations very well.

I agree that for starters, you can have an infinite amount of time to collect while still starting your heir. I could easily collect 2000 torts in a couple of years if I really wanted to using this feature.

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That's my fear. I remember years ago, a dirty king with 5k stats was considered crazy. Everyone wanted to breed to it. And the 15k - 20k kings they came from were the highest LD had seen.

But over the years, clean breeding took over. That destroyed the worth of dirty kings.
Then the oversaturation began. Too many bases and markings. It devalued a lot.
Then came the population boom. The market sits in shambles, over-saturated and too many items/lions in-game.
Then the lion market crash hit us.

This may well contribute to the erosion one of the last stable markets: Clean Low Gen Stat Kings.

I doubt it will destroy it outright, but the potential to cause harm here exists.
If the stats get pushed so high they're unobtainable for the average player who works hard, another market will collapse.

I'm sure there's a lot more potential for danger here than just stat kings, but that's my personal area of worry because it affects me greatly as a statter and average player. It may well impact the RLC market and others as well.

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Thing is, the game can't be accommodated to our every need. It's not meant to be easier on us it's meant to be a challenge. I've seen a lot of ridiculous and bad suggestions before that were made just to make it simpler for people to have everything they want. And in all honesty that's the main reason I don't want to agree with this suggestion still:? Making it easier makes it pointless even trying at the kind of hard working rate we are at.

Not only is it heavily exploitable for every single person, with literally no limits other than payment and possibly slots, but it's just making the game too easy.

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I'm not a fan of easy at all, also. But I also don't partake things that're too hard for me or too expensive.

For example, tigon/leopon breeding. It's too expensive and too hard. I simply won't partake. *But* I also don't want them to be cheap or easily obtainable.

But I think that the amount of people who want the game to be easy mode has increased. And I wonder if they now outnumber those of us who want things to be challenging.

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This isn't about making it easier, its about adding more security. Freezing lions on accounts has been a thing since rollovers got implemented. Many people use outside help to freeze lions all the time, and something like this would mean they don't have to worryif their outside help suddenly cant make it online for them to retrieve their items or lions. An example is if an emergency happened and the freezer couldn't RO in time for the owner. This suggestion isnt about making something easier, its about adding a feature that is technically already used, but allowing members to have security and stability over it. Its already be suggested to be a paid feature with cooldowns. I see you keep mention stat heirs and I would like to point out that people are already doing that without this suggestion. This suggesting wouldn't change that at all. Even I have a stat groupie plan in motion right now. My own stat groupie is over 800 stats at 3y6m and I still have access to both of my accounts to grind. A feature like this would mean I would need to sink more funds into something, but it also would mean I wouldn't have to worry about if my girlfriend couldnt get online to return my boy because of a family emergency or work. If anything this feature would put a small curve ball into my plan because of the cooldowns that was suggested. This wouldnt take the challenge out of things as its literally just like using a friend to help freeze things, except on your own account for a paid cost and limitations. I have seen people offer their accounts as freezer for very low prices, with lots of slots available too.

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I do understand how it's a massive security thing, and in either situation freezing Is very exploitable, but I feel like hibernation caves are more so. While I would love somswthing like this, there has n to be more limitations than just the money. Perhaps lions can't go in hungry/moody at all. I dunno. I can't really explain very well on mobile

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More limitations then just money was suggested by others already, including the idea of a 5-10 day cooldown before they can be frozen again. Lilu said she hasnt had the time yet to add anything to the first post just yet so its only spoken in comments.

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I don't like the idea of freezing lions becoming a feature. Full stop. They die for a reason. If you're gunna freeze a lion, you should have to lock down an entire account IMO. It's the only way to keep it balanced.

As for security, simple. Don't send away lions to other players you can't guarantee you'll get back. That's a risk you take.

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