"Okay....
Why dont you just make stats uninheritable?

I mean, this seems to be your greatest issue. That steroid lions will give their higher stats to their offspring. If this is the very root of the problem, then why dont you case all limit on training the lions and simply make all lions born with maybe 15 in each stat.

All lions that go to the leaderboard indeed were worked on hard. Give back extra hunts, limit skip hunting to 10 hunts a day. No worries about stats rising out of control while people can keep the competition going. The lions on leaderboards swap regularly -not like right now where it is dominated by the same people all the time-, cubs are born with equal opportunities and traits, new people start out by already being able to compete. The end.

All problems solved in a single feature.

The only downside? Well, people wont be able to stud for stats. But seriously... it is miserable how much stats the cubs already inherit. That would be not a great change."

Pretty much this.

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This change does affect the poor players though. This change impacts the entire community. Birth stats on lionesses are now the key to what a lioness is worth. As we've seen, markings are useful and all, make pretty lionesses, but markings can always be bred for, lions can be customized, certain events let us change bases or add markings... Stats take time to level. Stats are important now. There are no leaderboards for 'pretty markings'.

So what happens when you get a pretty lioness that someone sees the birth stats are only 200? They aren't going to buy it from you. Or if you see a lioness you really like but the stats are 800 as a cub? That cub is going to be entirely out of your reach now because of how important birth stats are to the overall stats of the lioness. Hard work gets you no where now. There is no way to rise above other players because you worked harder. If you don't care about hard work, or getting a high stat lioness, then that side of it won't impact you, but the prices of things are going to wildly fluctuate here now thanks to this change, you can be that this does impact you and in a very negative way.

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I agree with Axel on the long suffering point.
I don't see the point in that, it is just more and more frustrating <.<.

Until that time happens, the rich people get more rich with selling the high stats and all that.

The easiest thing here, as said multiple times, is getting rid of the unneeded skip function or limit it, not getting rid of the additional hunts.
Plus, we then would need a removing thing for those who exploited this loophole.
When people exploited that GB loophole, they got punished - while it is not the same, I still thing these people should be as well, in form of taking away the stats they gained from the lionesses and maybe giving them back the SB they spent on it.

Otherwise this is really unfair to all others, who didn't exploit it and who now have to suffer from them ruling the economy or rather the market for months longs or maybe years.
This long suffering is not OK, nor fair, just frustrating v.v ...

~sighs~ I really hope they will fiddle with the skip feature and all our reasoning won't fall on deaf ears, since all we got in here were weird answers, which didn't adress our reasoning or point of view.
Like the weird thing with just sending out other lionesses.


Taking away stats might be a solution or just stop with stat inheritance in a whole.
Therefore the stats will only be something worth to work for, if you really want to make it up to the leaderboards or not.

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I agree with Seventails.
When I sold a GMO Cow for 200GB, my GB were taken away. I was not the one who exploited the thing, but I still lost my GB. Why? Because it would "ruin the market". Right?
Same goes here. Lower the stats of those girls (and give their SB back) to prevent them for ruining the market.

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I agree with taking the inheritance away too. I also don't want to wait in agony for weeks, months, or even a few years with more nerfing and updates such as this. And as others have said, we're not even getting replies on the same-page mindset...
Edit: I also agree with the person above me. If you're so worried about people ruining the market, please do nerf those recently buffed lionesses.

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*cracks up at steroid lioness* XD

*ahem* Now to business.

To start with, thank you for inviting people to offer opinions. One thing that I've always liked about the Admins is that they seem to realise they'll never have the same grasp of the game that people who spend many hours a day playing it could. I appreciate you taking the time to think and listen. C:

Honestly, I think this change is unfair for some people. Everyone has their own goals, and the leaderboards are what drives many people. As several other people have pointed out, the 'steroid lionesses' are still out there and they will dominate the leaderboards for the lifetimes of the lionesses people had been painstakingly boosting by being logged on for hours everyday. Even after those lionesses die out in a few months, with no one being able to boost the number of hunts for specific lionesses, the only thing that will matter is birth stats. So the addition of the uncapped skip button and the removal of the additional hunts undermines the efforts of everyone who puts their time into the game. Without the effort of hunting a lot daily, what's the value of lioness leaderboards?

My personal concern, as always, is on how this will affect the market, however. The way I play the game is expensive, and I've always relied on cub sales to supplement it.

Personally, I'm not really interested in stat building. I prefer to breed for looks. But I've found that breeding for looks, if done with particularly difficult goals in mind, is extremely costly and it's impossible to know what value the cubs that come from it will be.

The effort put into stat building on the other hand, gives a reasonable return that is fairly easy to predict. That is why I've always chosen to breed for looks and make an effort to build the stats of my studs and a few lionesses. To help boost the value of my bloodlines as best I can.

Over the next several months, individual lions will sell for extremely high prices and the 'stat average' will rise. Because I couldn't afford to use the skip button much with my breeding projects being so costly SB-wise, my stats will remain much the same. I simply won't be able to compete.

I think the market will be a problem for plenty of other people as well: Those who invest time into the game instead of money. Newbies starting to make their way. Old-timers, who like to aim for the leaderboards. Donors who have multiple goals. The market is important to everybody and I think it's going to be a problem for a while.

What I'd like ideally is to have the skip button removed altogether and additional hunts re-added. That was fair in my opinion, because it created it's own goal for people to strive for. It also rewarded effort, and people who put effort into the game should reap extra benefits than those who don't. Trying to keep things fair is admirable, but making it so everyone can only ever gain the same number of stats is not going to achieve that. To be honest, I also think this site and community encourages people who think they are entitled to get something for nothing simply because other people have it and they don't. The point in a game is to have a goal and earn your way to completing it.

Now, to the high stat ladies that are bench-pressing their way to all time records. XD Honestly, I think the game will be kind of broken for a few months at least unless something is done with them, but what, I have no idea. I'm not even sure anything could be done with them. I'm betting the Admins would have a better idea than I would. CX

*breathes deeply* Well...that took a while and filled up a screen nicely. Now I find myself wishing I could add a bit of comedy relief with a cartoon exhausted lion. But alas, I cannot art. D:

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I see a lot of complaints from people who have multitudes of lionesses.. why not chose this extra hunting time to level up those girls? To level up the experiments, the for sale lionesses.. etc etc?

I'm one of these people, and this is my reason: I don't need, or really care that, all of them are levelled or high stat. A lot of them are there for no other reason than because I'm trying to breed specific marking combos. I would rather focus on one or a few lionesses to level and stat up, because otherwise it becomes overwhelming. In addition I don't have time to hunt with 70 lionesses every day 10 times each. I never used the skip hunt feature and I don't have enough straight SB or hoard liquidation value to fund that kind of training (in addition I'm not going to spend time or money on things I won't keep - the majority of cubs born in my pride are eventually chased).

I understand that the people who skipped and hunted endlessly technically earned their stats. But this change doesn't affect just them, and it affects the rest of us in a largely negative manner.

I don't see this change as a punishment. It does, however, suffer from a lack of foresight and I also think that some of the justification for this is flimsy - fix the root of the problem (skipping hunts cost change), not removing a more useful feature (add hunts). This issue is only a problem because it's so cheap to skip hunts now.

I agree with Soren, Seventails, Seiden, Kyrotonia2, and Dunnart with regard to the points they make as well.

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knew i should have taken advantage of that while it was there lmao ! if only i had more SB. oh well.

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I agree with everything that has been said by Tserin, Bilby, Dunnart and so many more. While I appreciate something was done about the way to low fee for skipping hunts I hope this is gonna be temporary until a more suitable solution is found. Cause if this is permanent, Lioden is officially no fun anymore neither for me nor for a huuuge amount of the community from what I get from the other comments so far. In my opinion raise the fee on skipping hunts, I do not see why a system that has worked before should be broken to this point!

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I guess as a leisurely player of this game, I'm not affected by this change. I just roll along and play at my own pace. I have no idea how to breed for stats, "train" for them if you will, or even breed for certain colors or special markings. So to those of you who aren't loving this, I guess you're the ones who went on the aforementioned spending spree.

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-Puts a Flower on Steriod Lioness- o3o she needs to feel feminine that's why she looks grumpy

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I agree with most of the people who have already stated this ---- I think we need to have the ability to add additional hunts back and just limit the amount of skips a person can use.

There are days when I get all 10 hunts in and have extra time so I will add a few hunts for the remainder of the time I am online. Now though with this change there is no real reason for me to stick around after I get my 10 hunts in. I only have 3 adult lionesses so I don't have other lionesses that I could send out hunting once I finish with those.

It only takes 5 hours to get 10 hunts in, so where as before I would randomly be on the site for up to 10 hours (logging in every 30 minutes for hunts) now there is no need for me to spend that much time on lionden. And that makes me a little sad, because I really enjoy lioden.

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I agree Indigo!! If this change is permanent then my time and money, and probably many others, here at lioden is probably going to be spent elsewhere because this is taking a lot of the fun and competition out of this game.

I really love Lioden, I spend a lot of time here and I never thought I'd be one of those "if this happen I'M LEAVING!" kind of players in any game but that's how I'm feeling. I'm also hoping that they listen to us and fix this, we are obviously not happy with this and it's not one of those "in time this will blow over" type of things.

Because this really messes up the game for a lot of us.

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If we really wanted to keep the skip feature usable for all players... why not make it a scaling cost? 50 SB to skip a hunt, 100SB to skip the second hunt. 200SB to skip the third hunt. 400 SB to skip the fourth hunt...

I mean people who are casually playing and using the new skip feature probably aren't skipping 10 hunts a day. Maybe 2-3 at most? Pick a point where it seems reasonable to say, skipping more than 5 hunts seems unreasonable, so the total cost for 5 hunts should be xxx SB, above that it gets crazy. 25, 50, 75, 100, 150, 200, 400, 800, 1600...

Then you could still have an unlimited level to how much you could skip, make it affordable to newer players to skip a few times, it won't get out of hand, people can still spend time on the extra hunts each day (even maybe make THAT a sliding scale cost?)

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@Absinthe: So, people who are upset about this change must be the ones who exploited it??
I don't think so.

Someone in here, was it Axel? I sadly don't recall now, said that the additional hunts gave you the option to 'redo' the hunts you missed out the day before.
I.e. if you only had the time for 8 hunts, you could still do 12 (i.e. paying for 2 additional ones) the next day to make up for it.
Which would only be 100 SB (50 each = 10 SB per lioness ; 5 max).

People who LIKED the additional hunting feature don't have to be those who ABUSED the loophole or rather the suddenly low price of skipping.

This is also an issue for people who might not really use the addition feature, but participate in the economy / trading / market / etc.

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