It may be high but we can still manage to open in a month, due to the quests that require bunnies etc. Im fine with this donations only in April though

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"Well, its opened now, is it?"

Now is not the issue. I am not sure how to make that more clear.

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points at first line of my previous response
To quote Raz, a few pages back, " but at this point im struggling to get even 10 eggs a day. i probably won't make enough in the entire month to donate for these tiers. "
Again, you are looking through your eyes only, and your eyes at this one specific point in time at that.
if they ignore us and continue to implement and INCREASE this it will do nothing but punish people who can't be online and drive probably hundreds of people away. that isn't okay. This whole this isn't a necessity, why keep it?

i wrote a bunch of other stuff but honestly this is all you really need to pay attention to. You're not affected, other people are. it's simple. You don't call hunger a myth just because you had a big dinner, do you?

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"I am aware but that doesn't change my mind about how donating is easy and simple, more group work.

But the point is that, the bunny shop is slow on opening while Egg den opens faster anyways"

That's not the point, and frankly, I'm not bothered about whether or not you change your mind. You are most certainly entitled to your opinion. I am bothered that you are mischaracterizing the entire purpose of this thread.

Last year, tiers were opened by communal eggs donated and fluffball points gathered. Individuals were not required to donate their own points to open the egg den or access Wenet's Primordial Spring Quest (which you also cannot access unless you donate 150 eggs). This year, individuals are required to make large individual donations amounting to several days - if not weeks for less active players - of work just to access a portion of the event they could otherwise access last year.

This adds to their workload for this year, thus making the event more difficult on an individual level. This thread is not requesting that eggs drop more or eggs not break (even though those would be reasonable requests to make). This thread is merely requesting that ADDITIONAL requirements not be placed on the population.

And this thread is not just about this year or the Egg Den. You keep reiterating that you don't have to Donate to access the Bunny Shop, especially if you don't care about the Egg Den. That is technically correct. However, the admins have stated that this month is a test run for adding personal donation goals to other months. This will make OTHER events more difficult as well, which places a burden on players, especially in months where there is no "Egg Den," so donations will likely be necessary to access THOSE shops, if we follow the admin train of thought here.

If an admin could actually clarify Katze's remarks regarding adding personal donations to other events, that would be great.

But it's a bad idea, Atomic, to come into a suggestion thread, not read the thread, make a comment that doesn't apply to half of the arguments stated, and then imply that people just want the game to be "easier" and are lazy, which is absolutely not the case.

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4 months? That's not long at all. Take 3 years for example. Lioden staff have messed up over and over again and yet the very very last second they all the sudden decide "Whoops, well now it's too late but we'll change it anyways and say sorry." Donating is NOT simple. Donating, is NOT easy. If you're saying that you have school and a lack of motivation, I highly doubt it, if you can get all those eggs in 6 damn days. Last year, we didn't have to do this, and without even a vote, we get slammed in our faces without warning a fucking donation bar. 4 months is way too short to realize the work it takes to get stuff done on here, note that eggs are used to purchase valuable things. That's the same with a bunch of other months, take September for example. A lot of people would've been able to get the GMO cow then, but now with the donations, people won't have enough currency because they don't have enough time to get it, while players who have all the time in the world can get whatever they want. It's extremely unfair and it needs to be changed.

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@NeptuneNebula is on point

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"Last year, we didn't have to do this, and without even a vote, we get slammed in our faces without warning a fucking donation bar."

To be 100% fair, there was a suggestion made for this. However, the way this was implemented was not at all how I remember the suggestion going, and the suggestion, iirc, was also not even linked in the News post.

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@Finnegan II you said that to get the Primordial Spring quest you have to get all the tiers open to acces the spring... does this mean the storyline is unfinishable unless I donate 150 eggs...? O.O

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"does this mean the storyline is unfinishable unless I donate 150 eggs...? O.O"

Yes. To be fair, it's an extra quest you can do assuming the Spring is unlocked, but unlike last year, you are now also required to meet the personal donation goal instead of it being automatically available, which I think is kind of silly.

If it makes you feel any better, she gives you... 25 of your 150 eggs back. :S

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Entity,

I sent a message to an administrator asking that question, but never received a response. I was only told that you cannot complete the Primordial Spring quest if you don't donate your 150 eggs on each account you want to complete the quest on.

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@Thalath thanks for clarifying :)

...I'm considering quitting this event at this point. I can't finish the storyline, I can't access half of the event, all because of this ridiculous personal donation goal. Ugh.

Edit: @Finnegan thanks as well :)

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My concern on that front is that it'll leave her page hanging at offering you the Primordial Quest and you won't even be able to continue doing her repeatable ones.

It's kinda bad that without warning they're apparently taking away the quest that gives the most eggs, but what if I can't even complete it? Just... stuck?

The lack of communication from staff on this always make me think they didn't even consider it. And it really annoys me to bring this up, but it's the biggest reason I do not spend money on this game. I can earn GB through event stuff, and the lack of communication on big changes makes me wary. I like the game, I'd like to give the staff money, but I cannot at the moment do it.

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^^ also, in reference to the current back and forth going on, previous years and how this and other events have worked in the past is relevant. @NeptuneNebula has a good point: just four months of playing LD means you haven’t played this event last year, so it’s impossible to compare. Every month is different in terms of how shops etc tend to unlock, and April is particularly different in that in relies on donations unlike any other.

Just because the Egg Den opened quickly this year doesn’t mean that has been the case in the past - quite the opposite. Last year it took us the whole month to unlock the final tier and there was So. Much. Drama the whole time and arguing over whether it would ever get opened or not. The year before that, we never managed to unlock it at all. So EVERYBODY who had donated eggs to try and unlock the Springs lost out, and effectively those eggs were tossed into the void with no payout. Unsurprisingly people who had very little eggs to start with were pretty upset. So yeah, this year was not typical, it’s because the personal donations changed the dynamic.

(I’d also argue that being able to raise enough eggs in only ~6 days to unlock the whole bar - i.e. 150 - isn’t really what most of us mean by a casual player. That’s far and away more than most casuals can expect to be finding daily imo).

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"So EVERYBODY who had donated eggs to try and unlock the Springs lost out, and effectively those eggs were tossed into the void with no payout. Unsurprisingly people who had very little eggs to start with were pretty upset."

This is one of the biggest reasons I'm actually for this update more than I am against it, overall: at least now people that donate, would be, in concept, guaranteed to get what they put currency in for, assuming they hit the goalposts. This is not how it was implemented, and there are TWO prerequisites that must be met which makes no sense. Give the players what they paid for.

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"My concern on that front is that it'll leave her page hanging at offering you the Primordial Quest and you won't even be able to continue doing her repeatable ones."

Oh god, I hadn't even considered that, Bez. I hope not. I'm relying on those hare points.

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