Posted by -LOCKED - -ADDED TO THE GAME-[All/Apr] No Donations.

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2018-04-03 14:52:27

HadToRemakeThisThread.SorryGuys

Okay. So. Donations. They need to go. They just cause user discourse and a lot of people do not like them. This issue currently only applies to April, but "We are starting with lower numbers to introduce the feature but will gradually increase over later months while you guys get used to it." from the news post suggests donation tiers will be added to other events.It also suggests that whatever price is asked now, next time it will be more. This is a no-no.

This solution focuses only on April, but can be applied anywhere they might want to add a donation spot. The solution will work as follows:

1. Change the donated bar to a gathered bar
2. Make it so you pay a once per event fee to use the features unlocked in the bar (Example: 75 Eggs to age or deage your male).
3. There is no more user discourse since to get the currency to spend you have to gather.

Some people are fine with the personal goals, but want the sitewide goal to be gone. That is the same as buying the feature. Just stop calling it donations. Remove the sitewide goal (/change it to a gather goal), call it a purchase, and that's all.

So;
- Remove Aprils donation function as explained above
- Don't add donation functions to other events if that was indeed planned.
---> *Some noted that it may not be "donations" added to other events but still personal bars. No. Don't add personal bars either. This feature needs a 100% scrap.



Please don't come up in here if you're just going to call casual players lazy.~


Suggestion for Date-Opened Tiers + Solutions to replace what the tiers supposedly do: [Finny]




This suggestion has 315 supports and 33 NO supports.



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Edited on 16/03/19 @ 03:21:33 by a Moderator

Finnegan II (#85926)


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Posted on
2018-04-07 15:35:36
Atomic, I...

Did you read the previous three pages? The points you attempted to bring up have been brought up and debunked, several times.

This suggestion isn't about making the game easier. It's about asking the admins to refrain from making the game harder and more time-consuming than it already is.

Since you edited your post, I'll edit mine. This is NOT just about this month. Katze has stated that this is a test run for implementing donations in other months as well, and this is on the LOW end of what donations will be in the future.



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Edited on 07/04/18 @ 15:38:00 by Finnegan II (#85926)

JaxHammer [Retiring] (#103364)

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Posted on
2018-04-07 15:36:41
"Plus events are supposed to be hard" Says who? How in the world did you come to this conclusion?



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DrMordred (#131725)

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Posted on
2018-04-07 15:36:43
Still saying to make the game easier ^^



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NeptuneNebula (#64036)

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Posted on
2018-04-07 15:36:55
Hm? How long have you been playing? How much experience do you have playing this game? Do you even notice the people who have work, who have jobs, who have to run errands, who get home afterwards and only have an hour before they need to get to sleep? It's not easy to get eggs, especially when you don't have all day to spend your time on exploring, nevermind the wait for energy to replenish.



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DrMordred (#131725)

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Posted on
2018-04-07 15:38:50
I have been playing this game for four months.

I'm usually very busy, school and etc but I do make time for exploring. However, donation aren't forcing you to do so anyways



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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Posted on
2018-04-07 15:40:16
It's been a week and I'd say I'm a fairly active player. I have 125 eggs. I'm not even in any way concerned for this particular event right now, or for myself. If I wanted to use the spring, I could. I won't, but I could.

With the promise of the amount being increased in the future, even as an active player, I cannot forsee this new personal donations thing being positive for this event. It's just punishing casual players and nothing else.



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AgentAle ☕️🐸 (#104412)

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Posted on
2018-04-07 15:40:45
@Atomic, Have you not read the comments before you? the people that barely have any time to get online? Congrats if it only takes you four days to complete your personal goal, you're not everyone though? Look at this through other peoples eyes who don't have enough time. Also even we, the Magic Four Day Completers, can look at the possibility of them spreading this to other events/increasing the amount to be "donated" and realise, hey, what the hell lol

Also Along the lines of you not being everyone, there's a lot of casual players being punished because of this. Just because we aren't doesn't mean we can't understand that sh'tfest. Lioden is not and never was meant to be a super difficult game in all. difficult bits, sure! but they should never have made part of the events so unattainable in general for so many people who can't spend 24/7 on an online game.

Events are supposed to require community work, not community slavery.



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Edited on 07/04/18 @ 15:43:33 by AgentAle ☕️🐸 offline (#104412)

DrMordred (#131725)

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Posted on
2018-04-07 15:43:36
Reminder: Bunny shop.

Nah, it takes me like 6 days to complete the donations due to my lack of motivation and school. So I basically explored three times today so yup. The eggs are extremely easy to get. PLUS, you have a entire month to complete



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Finnegan II (#85926)


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2018-04-07 15:43:41
"Still saying to make the game easier ^^"

You can say that all you want, but you are patently and entirely incorrect, so I'm not sure why you are insisting on being inaccurate.

This suggestion is about maintaining the SAME difficulty level the game currently possesses. It is requesting that the difficulty level not be RAISED by requiring personal donations to access event tiers.

You mention you've only been here for four months. Are you aware that personal donations were not required last year?



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DrMordred (#131725)

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Posted on
2018-04-07 15:45:59
I am aware but that doesn't change my mind about how donating is easy and simple, more group work.

But the point is that, the bunny shop is slow on opening while Egg den opens faster anyways



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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Posted on
2018-04-07 15:48:01
Since you weren't here for this event in the past, you may not be aware that in the past, the egg den was always opened very late. One year it wasn't opened at all.

This feature was introduced to try to make sure the egg den opened. The problem most of us have is that personal donations are not the ONLY required part. The entire community still has to open the bar (the problem in the first place).

The bar was purposely placed very low this time, so that we could attain the goal quickly, with the promise that the goalpost would be moved higher in the future.



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DrMordred (#131725)

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Posted on
2018-04-07 15:48:34
Well, its opened now, is it?



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Thalath {Offline} (#41669)

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Posted on
2018-04-07 15:49:02
"But the point is that, the bunny shop is slow on opening while Egg den opens faster anyways"

It used to be that the Bunny Shop would open at a normal speed (imo, it is right now, but 2,500,00 is a little on the high side) and the Egg Den wouldn't get to its final tier at all. The Egg Den opened its final tier day four.

So, I'd say the personal donation thing worked... this time. I still don't want this to be the norm. Like I've said many times, I'm fine with things like the Spring being a "hardcore player" bonus, but we don't need a personal donation incentive every single event, unless they're all-new features that are going to be worded as "buy this feature" rather than "donate". Don't make people buy/"donate" for things that have already existed.

tl;dr As long as they're not going to retroactively make us pay for old things, and that we actually get what we paid for regardless of the "team effort" (which is, like bezthiel said, the biggest issue here. If you paid for the tier incentives, you should get them whether or not the tier gets "completed".)



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Edited on 07/04/18 @ 15:51:39 by Thalath (#41669)

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Posted on
2018-04-07 15:49:49
So...initially when I saw this I wasn’t sure, but then I got to the part about making "donation" features into purchases instead, and I completely agree. Tbh that’s how I’ve been thinking of it this year anyway - effectively I’m paying 150 eggs for the Springs, and that’s fine. I think it’s a worthwhile thing to pay currency for, so no issue there. Personally I’d just prefer to be able to buy only the Springs and not have to pay for the event NCLs I have no use for along the way.

Personal donations is better imo than the community-wide donations in previous years that have been a complete nightmare in terms of people complaining. It was things like that that made me quit using main chat tbh, because the endless conflict just got exhausting. But I do think just upfront calling it a purchase, for this month and any potential other events that might follow this model, would be better all around.

That would feel less like a game you’re playing for fun is effectively taxing you, and more like you were choosing to spend your currency on something you wanted.



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EntityofSilo | G4 (#107570)

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Posted on
2018-04-07 15:50:10
@AtomicWinger that's not what's happening. After one day of exploring I generally get maybe 10-15 eggs total. I'm on tier one of the egg den and I want to save up for some of the tier 3 stuff in the shops as well as buy access to the primordial spring. Wth am I supposed to do, magically give myself eggs out of absolutely nowhere? I'm usually on for several hours a day and I can't even open another tier for myself. Don't make it seem easy; getting eggs, opening tiers, and buying stuff from the shops to get GB later isn't doable with the press of a button. The reason we opened last month's tiers are because the points needed to unlock it got lowered, not because somehow we managed to scrape together enough resources to reach the impossible goal set before us.



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