Posted by disallow disease names for lions

Jayden (Clean
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2020-04-25 09:16:21
The main focus on this thread is surrounding lions being named COVID-19 or Coronavirus for starters.
Other medical illnesses can be included too, depending on their context.

Short and simple; disease names should not be allowed. This doesn’t mean banning a user who decides to use it as a ‘joke’. Simply a warning and a mod reset of their lion’s name should be fine.

Code of Conduct 1.1b states “Users may not abuse, harass or in any other way purposely offend other users on site”.
Some people think this is a joke, and that in itself is offensive. What may not be offensive to you, can be triggering and upsetting to other people.
People on site could have lost family members to this/these illnesses and it shouldn’t be joked about publicly.

It’s okay to joke once in a while with your friends in a group chat, some people use ill humor to cope. But a public place with 2000+ active users a day is not the space for it.

The comments have discussed page after page that Lioden is supposed to be a get away from real life. This is even written in the Code of Conduct.
Naming a lion whatever you want is within your right, but it shouldn’t be at the expense of others as someone in a response on this thread posted.

This is not adding an automatic filtering system for names. That’s a bit extreme.

Also, I want to add that the block feature does not solve everything. You can still see their kings on Leaderboard, in the May event next month, there’s a toggle button to see a block user’s post in the forums.
Simply blocking them, does not eliminate the issue.

We’re in a global pandemic with people dying everyday.

And please know this thread has nothing to do with anything else besides being compassionate to other people who don’t find it as ‘funny’.

Special thanks to Roxanne (#121082) for helping write this out.



This suggestion has 196 supports and 132 NO supports.



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Edited on 29/04/20 @ 22:59:14 by Jayden (Clean Hibiscus) (#141141)

blueberry freckles (#188266)

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2020-04-25 14:22:43
like i said, handled like every other time mods deem a name as inappropriate. name change and a warning



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Jayden (Clean
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2020-04-25 14:23:10
yes punishment is up to mods ultimately not rlly me even if i made the suggestion



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ellie enchanted 🍥 (#197941)

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2020-04-25 14:34:06
My own issue is actually less in regard to the matter of COVID, and more so the suggestion to eliminate any naming convention related to illness. I understand why naming a lion after an illness causing a global pandemic is questionable (though I do not find myself in full agreement) but if I were in the position of attempting to write a rule like this as a site leader- and thank god I'm not- it would not be pleasant to mandate in the slightest. I am of the opinion that no matter how much effort was put into making it work for all parties, things would slip through the cracks, be reported in excess, never be clear enough, etc. I believe that's about all I have to contribute to the topic, so we'll all just have to see how it works out in the end.



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Cookie (#128162)

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2020-04-25 14:58:14
It doesn't take that much to be the bigger person and just ignore the user in general. Lioden has a relatively big platform and lots of users use it. There are a lot of things that people just wont agree with. As well as lots of users to interact with other than those select few.

As the OP's references the coc here:
"code of conduct 1.1b "Users may not abuse, harass or in any other way purposely offend other users on the site"

I understand that naming lions certain ways may offend you and it can offend others but with a lion name that isn't specifically targeted towards anyone, it's a bit difficult to say they were purposefully trying to offend anyone. Is it a sensitive topic? Yes, but a lot of people are going through the same thing, and it's hard to pinpoint that to specifically trying to offend someone or a group of people in general as when you bring up covd-19, it is a worldwide pandemic. With any other name on the thread, many people have their reasons to name a lion something, perhaps they are suffering from what it is, perhaps they are trying to let whatever it is be in a positive light for them. Whatever it is, people have their different reasons for doing things. And I don't feel that it's fair to just chalk it up immediately to someone joking about the topic. As long as names aren't specifically and purposefully targeting and offending/harassing/abusing anyone, then there isn't a reason to suddenly punish these people that just decided to name their lion something, as (< excuse this, it is no longer relevant) it isn't offending the coc, or in the least, doesn't have the evidence to be offending that part of the coc. However, as I've previously stated, there is also a reason why the 'block user' feature exists, (and for the comments >) regardless of how well you think it works or not.

I will leave it at that, and will continue to not support this suggestion. I hope everyone here has a good day/evening.



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Robin (BLM) - Gen4
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2020-04-25 15:02:03
It doesn’t take much to be the bigger person and just not name your lions things that upset others either. The block button does not solve everything, and the lion’s name will still be able to be seen in some areas. It’s not hard to understand how this is upsetting and be empathetic about it.



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Creek (#188551)

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2020-04-25 15:29:40
I don't understand why people are defending those that are naming their lions after a global pandemic (and other illnesses and such) that is affecting all our lives in horrible ways. The game, as most others have stated here in the thread, is meant to be an escape from reality. In this game, I don't want to be reminded that I have so many relatives that could potentially *die* because of this pandemic. Why should i have to see that in a game that helps me deal with the reality we're living in?

Also in the beginning few pages, it was made clear that blocking a person doesn't do anything? It only stops you from seeing their posts in threads and such. You still see their lions.

Additionally, it's been said here (again, in the first few pages) that mods have been taking care of already disallowed names by looking at them on a case-by-case basis with context. So, it wouldn't be that much harder for them to just be on the lookout for one more name when it's reported to them. They would be able to clearly tell the intentions of the user by looking at their den(s).



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Creek (#188551)

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2020-04-25 15:32:15
(And again, I agree with the others' points about jokes being told privately. It's just awareness and common courtesy to not joke about extremely sensitive and serious topics out in the public. Whatever people want to do in a private session/area is fine, but there's a line that shouldn't be crossed when you step into public territory.)



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2020-04-25 15:36:46
We're just asking for decency amongst people and compassion for those affected that want to play a nice game.

There's nothing else I can say at this point that wouldn't just be repeating myself so I'm unsubscribing from this thread.



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Alex 🤍 922/2350
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2020-04-25 16:10:01
Only thing there I dont agree with there is cancer, I don't agree with it name after a disease I'm just thinking about the zodiac sign, but support from here c:



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Creek (#188551)

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2020-04-25 16:21:21
Yeah I was iffy about that as well, but this is meant to be disallowed based on context, and if it is clear that you're just doing it relating to the Zodiac than it's all good :D



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Allen 🐾 (#130883)

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2020-04-29 14:03:51
Full support! There's no reason to name your lion COVID-19/Coronavirus/etc unless your intention is to offend someone. I don't see where any of these no supports are coming from.

Not subbing to the thread though. <3



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Daris (#54787)

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2020-04-29 17:48:43
We are playing a game that takes pride in showing the unfiltered cruelty of life - animals with their insides ripped out, human corpses, characters/decorations personifying death, war, and plague (which could all be just as real and painful to people as any specific disease), and all kinds of horrifying decors used to customize characters in countless bloody ways. But someone wanting to create a lion personifying a specific disease is somehow crossing the line?

If someone wanted to create the personification of Lyme disease, they should be allowed to do so, whatever _my_ personal twitches against Lyme might be. It wasn't directed at me, I'm just looking at it (probably without them ever realizing it.) To say that kind of personification is harassment and should be banned is absurd.

Just using lyme as an example because that one is personal, but it goes for the other diseases above-mentioned, as well. Ya'll just need to be less uptight about everything.



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Guillo [kinda froze] (#107254)


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2020-04-29 18:29:59
@Daris: Some of the encounters that you have brought up are meant to bring light to devasting situations and provide a spotlight for them to encourage awareness and help. The majority of the encounters that are graphic (excluding October) highlight the effects of climate change and poaching. When you say personifying a disease, it brings to mind an image of something that brings awareness to the disease itself. Naming your main lion "Coronavirus" or "Coronafluffers" or "Covid19" cannot be compared to the gorey encounters showing the horrors of poaching. Naming your lion after a pandemic for humor is not a deep representation of the disease. It isn't spreading awareness like the poaching encounters are. It isn't part of a storyline like the October monster encounters are.

When you look at the October encounters of zombies and other monsters, they aren't a joke. They certainly aren't meant to be taken seriously, but they are part of the event and storyline. I don't believe these encounters are comparable to naming your lion "Coronavirus."



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Edited on 29/04/20 @ 18:30:24 by Guillo [Project] (#107254)

Disaster (#181211)

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2020-04-29 18:37:53
I slightly support and don't support.

People use comedy to uplift themselves in complicated, desperate times like COVID-19. While it's clearly not a joke, it's just how some people cope with this new change or pressure, and I don't know if mass-banning, mass-warning is really a solution.

Maybe there are other ways. I don't name my lions these, but I can understand why people joke to cope. Everyone is affected right now. It's distasteful, but I believe we have to remember we are all humans going through this new struggle, and we all go about it differently.

I don't think these members purposely offend you nor harass you. I know their names can be seen as hurtful.


If the names do go, which I do understand, they are a lot, I suggest more of a filter than warnings, as these are not users purposefully aiming to be malicious.



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Guillo [kinda froze] (#107254)


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2020-04-29 18:41:17
@War: Coping with humor is absolutely okay and I know that a lot of people do cope with humor, BUT you should not subject your coping mechanisms to thousands of other users who have no intentions of interacting or seeing the jokes you put out. If you want to make jokes about it in your circle of friends, whatever, but putting it on your lion for everyone to see is too much.



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