Posted by [JUNE] Adjust Shop Prices [+411/-14]

jester [im autistic]
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2023-06-03 16:27:54
To put it frankly, the prices associated with the June event are absolutely ludicrous. A single base applicator costs 400KB, but there's 5 in the shops. Let's say you're incredibly productive and you manage 100KB a day (an unrealistic goal for most players), you'll only manage 3,000KB in the month. If you spend that all on bases, that's 7 bases. And that's assuming you buy no decor, and you always manage exactly 100 every single day.

To actually show you how impossible this is, I'm going to do some math real quick. Scary, I know. Let's say that someone doesn't sleep, at all, the entire month of June. They are on nothing but Lioden the entire time, but don't use Roasted Lambs, and they use 11 Energy Bars a day (the 9 full ones you get per day + the daily bonus + hyperactive + enclave boost). We're also going to assume someone gets a Snake Encounter for every step they take in explore, and they win every single one, and they use every single KB they get on bases.
They earn 220KB a day, 6160 for the month. That's a total of 15 base apps, for no sleeping, just continuously playing Lioden, under ideal conditions in explore. "But Jester, what about the quests?" Daily quests boosts them up from 15 base apps to 16, as you only get 10KB per day from them, and you can only do 28 of them for the month. This means that, as of 2024, when the new base apps are added to the June shop, you cannot get 1 of each base by swapping between Gods. You will not be able to by earning 220KB a day.

Now, to do the math with sleeping, we're going to take 8 hours away from that, for a total of 16 hours a day. Adding in what we did earlier, that's about 7.5 energy bars a day. Under the same ideal conditions, and doing nothing but Lioden when you're awake, that's 4,350KB, or 10 apps. Even adding in the extra 280KB you get from daily quests, that’s 11 base apps for the entire month. Doing nothing but Lioden and sleeping, and only spending your KB on base applicators. With this, you can't even get one of each base app that's currently in the shop.

These numbers are also only for one account, but also in ideal conditions where you get an encounter every step, win every battle, and spend no other energy on breeding/stud requests. For less than ideal conditions, these numbers would drop dramatically. AKA, these numbers are physically impossible. I've found some of the highest earners in June to only be averaging about 100KB a day, if that. That's only 2800KB a day, or just 7 base applicators for the entire month. For context, I bought seven Spicy Ice apps from December, and that's not even all I got.

That means for each base app in the shop, if you do nothing but sleeping and playing Lioden, no taking breaks, no stopping to eat, no anything, you can only get 2 the entire month. To take a month with comparable base applicator values, like February with the Cherry Blossom base, you can get more than DOUBLE that amount and still have enough event currency left over to do some decor shopping.

It's just ridiculous that bases cost this much with the amount of them that are now tied to the month, and are required for breeding rare and pretty popular combos as well.

Another potential option is to drastically increase the amount of KB provided by each snake, up to around 10KB a battle, like the October Night Creatures provide. That would make grinding June actually worth it, and not just a slog sandwiched between two battle heavy months that leads to extreme burnout. Though, to be honest, I think both should be implemented together, especially now that they have two shops that use KB, and plan to increase both shops loads every year.

POST JUNE DEV UPDATE:
No real changes in the amount of KB that I've noticed. All the new encounters seem to be quest locked and with no information about them on the wiki, I can't really see if their numbers are any different. From what I've noticed with the quests I've gotten, it doesn't appear to be so. In fact, both the find a cultist encounter and the find a boat encounter don't even reward KB, just a +50EXP and a quest completion.



This suggestion has 614 supports and 19 NO supports.



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Edited on 24/06/23 @ 06:57:57 by jester 🏳️‍🌈 (#187561)

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Posted on
2023-06-20 10:11:20
THIS! I struggled so hard getting 808 KB. I got the two bases I wanted but I'm a SAHM so i do have to care for my children and sleep at night. I struggled so much getting the KB and was so worried I wouldn't be able to get them (and that's actually some people's reality!).

I'd say each fight is worth 10-12KB because sometimes you see like 10 in a row or see 3 the entire time you're in explore. Not to mention I made 1.6K HS in Feb and still had enough to go decor shopping after getting my bases and breeding items. I didn't use any kind of special thing for Feb yet I made enough for all the bases I wanted plus more, not including Ybark I bought.

It's a huge struggle to even get 2KB when your chosen God (I'm looking at you Anubis) doesn't want to help and you get by with at most 40KV (10KB for whatever quest you finished - if you did finish it.)



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πŸ‚GoblinπŸ‚ (#86836)

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Posted on
2023-06-22 07:57:47
I support. I barely go on during the month of june bc its honestly just so discouraging. I think for how hard the snakes are to defeat they should yield a higher reward. Maybe 5-8KB?



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Posted on
2023-06-22 12:21:44
I don't think it's going to happen :( but maybe they'll consider for next year



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LouπŸ’œ(G1) (#56350)


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Posted on
2023-06-23 06:08:34
In fact, both the find a cultist encounter and the find a boat encounter don't even reward KB, just a +50EXP and a quest completion.
(Just so you know, it does give you normal stuff you just have to go back to your diety or whatever lol)

Supported btw. The way I've been grinding any other month I woulda have triple the currency.



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Posted on
2023-06-24 07:14:38
As a newer player, I haven't really figured out how to grind [what to do when your energy runs out?]. It has taken me around three weeks of logging on every day and using 2-3 energy bars each day to get barely 400 KB. Support.



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[β™°] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-06-25 11:39:21
Oh right. I forgot they give me 50 EXP from the cultists too!



That definitely is a reward!
That will definitely help level me up.

:)

Sarcasm aside, at least scale the EXP reward lmao?
The fact they said they hoped that the cultist shit would help with KB gain is SO BAFFLING. it doesnt help with ANYTHING



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kreech (#430477)

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Posted on
2023-06-25 11:51:22
The new quests really aren't helping. 1kb per snake eyes lion/cultist fought isn't remotely enough to offset the imbalanced pricing, & even the quests themselves don't award much kb relative to the prices of the apps.



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Posted on
2024-05-26 00:27:32
Imagine not supporting this



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[β™°] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2024-05-26 01:03:50
June is approaching ): Fingers crossed.



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[β™°] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2024-06-01 05:37:23
No announcement. Let's help push this before last tier is open.



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[β™°] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2024-06-01 21:57:18
Decided to come back and drop some critique and suggested fixes. This is going to have a metric fuck-ton (unit of measurement) of feedback and completely break down the problems with this event, so sorry that it's a bit of a read.

To begin with, I'll copy-paste my input on this event from a discussion thread:

You need to beat 200 snakes for one (1) applicator.
Last year, Ra had abysmally low pass rates for a lot of breeders. There's barely over 1k on site, which, considering the population boom, is wacky.

TBH the apps are prohibitively expensive. The fact that we have 3-4 days where we can't earn any KB and don't earn rewards for doing the essence quests is really bad when you factor in how much apps cost. The snakes are difficult for even high stat players to beat most of the time considering LD's miss ratio in combat is wild. On top of that, the absolutely ludicrous amount of shops you have to earn a single currency for is WACKY.

These issues are compounded by how many apps you need to buy to breed the combo bases due to low pass rate.

TBH this entire event needs a re-work. The apps should cost no more than 250 KB - that's 100 more than the next highest cost item. The first 3 days should be earnable or at the least give rewards to make up for it. The cultists need their EXP payouts scaled to lion level - getting 50 EXP is pointless for anyone past level 5.

And on top of it all, three (3) battle-focused events in a row is exhausting.

May is also a battle-focused event. And after June, here comes July with another event with very difficult encounters that they needed to write an entire guide for players on how to beat them.

I'm so tired lol...

This event has far more issues with it than simply not earning in the beginning of the month. For example, other events lower the cost of older applicators. June does not. However, every single year, they add a new sought-after combo and 3 new applicators.

There are currently 18 old apps and 21 apps total, more than any other event on LD. And each one of these costs 400 KB.

Historically, "low currency drop" months price down the cost of applicators to make them more achievable. February is a great example of a low currency drop month with achievable content. New applicators cost 200 HS, old ones get lowered to 150 HS, and players also have the Flirt function to earn income in addition to battling and exploring.

March is another low currency drop month that's balanced well. Applicators aplenty, including marking apps, which players can earn both in the Poacher Chase minigame or by battling and exploring.

Conversely, the ONLY way to earn this month is through battling enemies that are very tough. And the same currency is spread across not one, not two, not even three shops, but FOUR shops now that they've added the Shrines on top of everything else.

Suggested Fixes:
- Lower applicator cost to 250 KB per applicator.
- Lower 2+ year old applicators to 200 KB per applicator.
- Have Thoth, Horus and Khnum encounters provide x1 KB per encounter interacted with.
- Give players x5 KB and EXP x 50 for completing "Essence Gathering" quests at the beginning of the month.
- Fix Anubis. He still sucks.

RE: Anubis
There are still times he does absolutely nothing for the entire duration of the fight. My suggestion is to have him lower the damage an enemy does to you by -3, the opposite of what Set does. Let the guard dog guard.



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Posted on
2024-06-02 00:36:37
I have 3000 KB left unspent from last year's grind. I think I bought a single app and a couple decor items, so I'd estimate I got 4000 KB total at most. And I didn't slack either! Yet I only got enough KB for HALF of the apps, if I wanted to buy one of each for whatever reason.

Really don't want to go another year without buying ANYTHING, but I'll have more for next year I guess.


Yharman - I like the -3 damage idea for Anubis! I always avoid picking him in his current unreliable state. Alternatively, maybe he could 'guide' enemies into the afterlife by whamming them with a 10-15 damage attack once the enemy HP reaches that threshold?



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Edited on 02/06/24 @ 00:42:18 by Terrinthia [G1] (#97101)

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Posted on
2024-06-02 01:04:29
Cross-posting this one as well because I never have any idea which topics are gunna get locked and it's important.


I'd like to also point out a counterpoint to my own note of lowering the prices, where the market's state is incredibly important to take into consideration for June. While I'd argue that Devs definitely need to lower the prices, they need to handle this carefully.

June apps have routinely held value outside of June. As many of us know, almost the entire LD market has collapsed.

If devs decide that lowering last year's apps to 300 KB and apps that are 2+ years to 250, that would still be an immense help, and may be a little more balanced to help ensure their value doesn't drop too much.

But current app availability for June apps versus every other month's apps also provides further proof of just how difficult these apps are to obtain. I'm using Branch Listings versus Trading Center because TC prices are usually inflated artificially to encourage trade offers.

An Overview of Current Market
Royal Coat of Bast: 33 GB -- 2 Branch Listings
Royal Coat of Anubis: 40 GB -- 1 Branch Listing
Royal Coat of Seth: 35 to 50 GB -- 3 Branch Listings

Favour of Bast: 25 GB -- 10 Branch Listings
Favour of Anubis: 22 GB -- 11 Branch Listings
Favour of Seth: 20 GB -- 8 Branch Listings

Vestige of Bast: 20 GB -- 13 Branch Listings
Vestige of Anubis: 30 GB -- 7 Branch Listings
Vestige of Seth: 25 GB -- 12 Branch Listings

Grace of Bast: 30 GB -- 6 Branch Listings
Grace of Anubis: 20 GB -- 14 Branch Listings
Grace of Seth: 20 GB -- 11 Branch Listings

Relic of Bast: 20 GB -- 9 Branch Listings
Relic of Anubis: 23 GB -- 4 Branch Listings
Relic of Seth: 24 GB -- 9 Branch Listings

Token of Bast: 25 GB -- 14 Branch Listings
Token of Anubis: 22 GB -- 12 Branch Listings
Token of Seth: 40 GB -- 3 Branch Listings



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Edited on 02/06/24 @ 01:07:58 by [β™°] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2024-06-02 07:36:25
Coming back to voice my support, since, yeah, only being able to get KB while your battle buddy is rough, especially considering the shop prices.



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Sanderus (#237005)

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Posted on
2024-06-03 08:56:13
FULL support. Lioden, please!!!



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