Posted by [JUNE] Adjust Shop Prices [+411/-14]

jester [im autistic]
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2023-06-03 16:27:54
To put it frankly, the prices associated with the June event are absolutely ludicrous. A single base applicator costs 400KB, but there's 5 in the shops. Let's say you're incredibly productive and you manage 100KB a day (an unrealistic goal for most players), you'll only manage 3,000KB in the month. If you spend that all on bases, that's 7 bases. And that's assuming you buy no decor, and you always manage exactly 100 every single day.

To actually show you how impossible this is, I'm going to do some math real quick. Scary, I know. Let's say that someone doesn't sleep, at all, the entire month of June. They are on nothing but Lioden the entire time, but don't use Roasted Lambs, and they use 11 Energy Bars a day (the 9 full ones you get per day + the daily bonus + hyperactive + enclave boost). We're also going to assume someone gets a Snake Encounter for every step they take in explore, and they win every single one, and they use every single KB they get on bases.
They earn 220KB a day, 6160 for the month. That's a total of 15 base apps, for no sleeping, just continuously playing Lioden, under ideal conditions in explore. "But Jester, what about the quests?" Daily quests boosts them up from 15 base apps to 16, as you only get 10KB per day from them, and you can only do 28 of them for the month. This means that, as of 2024, when the new base apps are added to the June shop, you cannot get 1 of each base by swapping between Gods. You will not be able to by earning 220KB a day.

Now, to do the math with sleeping, we're going to take 8 hours away from that, for a total of 16 hours a day. Adding in what we did earlier, that's about 7.5 energy bars a day. Under the same ideal conditions, and doing nothing but Lioden when you're awake, that's 4,350KB, or 10 apps. Even adding in the extra 280KB you get from daily quests, that’s 11 base apps for the entire month. Doing nothing but Lioden and sleeping, and only spending your KB on base applicators. With this, you can't even get one of each base app that's currently in the shop.

These numbers are also only for one account, but also in ideal conditions where you get an encounter every step, win every battle, and spend no other energy on breeding/stud requests. For less than ideal conditions, these numbers would drop dramatically. AKA, these numbers are physically impossible. I've found some of the highest earners in June to only be averaging about 100KB a day, if that. That's only 2800KB a day, or just 7 base applicators for the entire month. For context, I bought seven Spicy Ice apps from December, and that's not even all I got.

That means for each base app in the shop, if you do nothing but sleeping and playing Lioden, no taking breaks, no stopping to eat, no anything, you can only get 2 the entire month. To take a month with comparable base applicator values, like February with the Cherry Blossom base, you can get more than DOUBLE that amount and still have enough event currency left over to do some decor shopping.

It's just ridiculous that bases cost this much with the amount of them that are now tied to the month, and are required for breeding rare and pretty popular combos as well.

Another potential option is to drastically increase the amount of KB provided by each snake, up to around 10KB a battle, like the October Night Creatures provide. That would make grinding June actually worth it, and not just a slog sandwiched between two battle heavy months that leads to extreme burnout. Though, to be honest, I think both should be implemented together, especially now that they have two shops that use KB, and plan to increase both shops loads every year.

POST JUNE DEV UPDATE:
No real changes in the amount of KB that I've noticed. All the new encounters seem to be quest locked and with no information about them on the wiki, I can't really see if their numbers are any different. From what I've noticed with the quests I've gotten, it doesn't appear to be so. In fact, both the find a cultist encounter and the find a boat encounter don't even reward KB, just a +50EXP and a quest completion.



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Edited on 24/06/23 @ 06:57:57 by jester 🏳️‍🌈 (#187561)

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Posted on
2023-06-15 23:42:48
PLEASEEE its so frustrating knowing that I can either get all the decor I want and zero bases (excluding the free storyline reward) OR 7 bases and zero decor UNDER IDEAL CONDITIONS. I barely reach 50 kb a day excluding quests AND without buying anything. Quite frankly, its kinda BS



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Thalath {Side} (#43831)

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Posted on
2023-06-16 03:07:25
I think what's even more fantastic is that next month is just as bad or worse LOL I don't think you can even lucky feet the dragons.



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Posted on
2023-06-16 12:33:32
Oh my God, what are the developers turning the Lioden into? Why do they make it difficult for the players?
I'm not saying that the game should be quite easy, but it should not cause players such difficulties and tension. People come to the Lioden to relax
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In any case, full support



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Edited on 16/06/23 @ 12:37:14 by ShadowX5 (#122120)

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Posted on
2023-06-17 05:36:38
Everyone keeps talking about how the TC/economy has crashed. Everyone is looking for ways to make more currency, right. One might think the way to do that is to get all of the month's event's applicators and resell them later.

NO.

Supply and Demand.

I support added difficulty in other months to get all the applicators.

I'd rather have one or two that I actually want, and decor that I want, vs buying out all the apps in the shop like everyone else, and they have no value later, because everyone else did the same thing, and my lions are still naked.

I think this would also increase the value/rarity of applicator based lions.

To put into context with where I am on this event:

I've bought one applicator, 2 canopic jellies, one of every background in my shop on my main, most of the other backgrounds in the shop on my side, and several decors, just with the KB I've earned from leisurely grinding. I'm saving my energy and effort for next month, but I still feel accomplished and like I've had fun with this month's event.



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jester [im autistic]
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Posted on
2023-06-17 06:16:55
If they cared about June bases remaining 'difficult' to get, why are they Storyline rewards? Everyone on site can get 2 of their desired base entirely for free just by clicking buttons. Not to mention that lions with applicator traits are *never* valuable, the main value of of applicators are the fact that they can be freely applied to any lion. Once the applicator is used, the trait is no longer valuable. This holds true for markings, for bases, etc. G2 Interstellars are worth only 5GB, and it's one of the rarest app bases out there, besides maybe Solaris, but Solaris is in such low demand it's at a comparable value. Compared to Interstellar apps going for 120GB right now, that is an insane value drop. The applicator economy will *not* be hurt by the apps being easier (note, not easy, just easier) to obtain, because the main drive behind the applicator economy is making a profit from people who want to apply the trait, not selling cubs with it, and as long as you wait to sell until it's out of season, you will always make a profit since you get the apps by just playing the game.

Hell, this even holds true for G2 Pies now, with most of them being worth about 5GB because staff made Piebald + Patches MoDs too easy to get.

I'm a really hardcore Lioden player, so I would be in a similar boat of having a semi-decent haul already, had it not been for a bunch of IRL situations that have forced me into a casual player for a few weeks. And let me tell you, this event is IMPOSSIBLE for casual players. I started June with 231KB leftover from the year before and I have gotten enough KB for exactly 1 base app and a few decors. That is it. For reference, aside from a few days this month, I've been sleeping for about 6-8 hours a night, and make sure to check on Lioden every few hours to use energy/breed lions/etc. Not all players also have or use a side account, for example, mine is frozen a majority of the time due to the statter I have now, so I'm in the shoes of a really, *really* casual player right now, and I am absolutely struggling.

Another reason the prices of these bases is so ridiculous, to me personally at least, is because they're combo factors that you'll need a large group of apps for to breed, or the other option is dedicating both your allowed accounts to breeding the combo in order to have a big enough supply of factors. If the combo bases weren't associated with June, I'd be less annoyed by June being this way. Lioden has made it clear that the future of the site is all about pumping out apps, so it's unlikely they'll make other events as difficult as June, especially since the overwhelming majority of the community believes that June is too hard as is.



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Posted on
2023-06-17 08:23:27
I support. I only managed to break 800 KB TODAY through the immense help of extra grinding via my alt account.



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-06-17 09:31:06
Everything that Jester just said really needs to be taken into account.

I feel like a lot of folks approaching this with the 'absolutely not' mentality think that those of us agreeing want the game to be easy, or that we haven't done the grind.

No, a lot of people agreeing are veterans and hardcore grinders, people who have poured years of hard work into this game. And we *don't want* this game to be impossible for new players. But it's also really hard *on us*.

Applicators are ALWAYS valuable on their off months with the exception of a few.
This month is the ONLY MONTH that doesn't roll back prices of older applicators.

At some point, we need to start being able to admit when something is broken, and not just assuming that's how things should be. I understand difficulty and challenge, and I embrace it - here, in games, and in real life - even when i might not be great at it.

But difficulty for difficulty's sake is NOT the way to go, and Lioden's events have always been accessible to everyone. There needs to be rhyme and reason behind why something is difficult, and a way for players to learn their way around the difficulty. There's no trick to this month. It comes down to how much you're willing to no-life. The enemies are brutal for players new and veteran, the prices are insanely steep, and most of us are very aware that the pass rates for these bases are never going to be enough to justify just buying one and hoping it passes for projects.

And a lot of you are only looking at resale value of applicators, and not how many combo bases require them!

Holy shit - pardon my fucking French - I do Soul combo breeding and even with Ivory applicators that are relatively cheap, I have had Ivory girls go entire lifespans without passing their base or the combo ONCE! These people doing the combos for this month, my heart goes out to you and your wallets.

Dropping 400 KB or 20+ GB in-season on a single app for combo breeding and never ONCE passing the combo nor the base. Once your stock runs out, you are shelling out of pocket for applicators that can quickly reach 50 GB each on off-season. And that's assuming anyone is selling! If they aren't, I sure hope the lions with correct bases fit your project requirements!

For COMBO BREEDING! A breeding pool that has a much larger than average fail base pool!

That is insane.

If this event is supposed to be very difficult and exclusionary to anyone but dedicated players, then the devs need to clearly state that, and give casual players and those not willing or able to bust their balls something equally fun to do. Because if we expect over half the playerbase to just sit it out, that's hella gatekeepy and unfair.



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Edited on 17/06/23 @ 09:38:02 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-06-17 18:11:29
I fully agree with what jester and Yharnam said.



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Posted on
2023-06-18 17:54:31
I honestly feel like it's a $$$ grab, first with the clear encounter changes when a quest is active (EG 100% energy and not one slighting minion encountered) and then with how much the applicators cost. They clearly want people to get some GB and buy the energy boosts.

There also shouldn't be any reason why this farming of Junes currency is so bad compared to other months.



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2023-06-18 19:43:22
Right, that's the other part that gets me. June is a relatively 'low activity' month. July is the next big event for most of LD, so you'd think they'd want to get players excited and give them something fun to do, to encourage them to want to roll into July. Instead, I see more players take hiatuses this month than not, with many viewing it as May's slightly less unattractive neighbor.



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Posted on
2023-06-19 01:18:21
Bump lol



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Posted on
2023-06-19 07:35:25
DUDE it wasn't until YESTERDAY I finally got 400 to buy a base app- and this was after playing for HOURS a day, waiting for energy to refill-

I spent a total of around 35 to give to people and that was it- all the others were purely saved just for me-

we should be getting at LEAST 3-4 per battle, and at least 2 for the lions with snake eyes, and a chance to get KB in explore w/o battling,

OR- we can trade in Chaos Scales for KB, maybe 2-3 scales for a KB?

(please take into mind I do not have a job, I am a high school student who gets summers off. I can't even imagine how it must be for ADULTS with JOBS)



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Edited on 19/06/23 @ 07:42:56 by ☆||Nebula ~ G3 Interstellar||☆ (#434371)

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Posted on
2023-06-19 07:57:35
I got my first app just a few days ago. Back up to 200+ KB, hoping to get my second app before the month ends. Do not expect to grind enough for a third one this year. I joined in January, and the difficulty involved in this month is discouraging enough that had I joined this month, I probably wouldn't have stayed. But I have other things happening with my lions that keeps me motivated.



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Posted on
2023-06-19 09:59:13
Omg yes like maybe 350 at most or smth PLEASE.



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Posted on
2023-06-20 05:09:42
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