Posted by [JUNE] Adjust Shop Prices [+411/-14]

jester [im autistic]
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Posted on
2023-06-03 16:27:54
To put it frankly, the prices associated with the June event are absolutely ludicrous. A single base applicator costs 400KB, but there's 5 in the shops. Let's say you're incredibly productive and you manage 100KB a day (an unrealistic goal for most players), you'll only manage 3,000KB in the month. If you spend that all on bases, that's 7 bases. And that's assuming you buy no decor, and you always manage exactly 100 every single day.

To actually show you how impossible this is, I'm going to do some math real quick. Scary, I know. Let's say that someone doesn't sleep, at all, the entire month of June. They are on nothing but Lioden the entire time, but don't use Roasted Lambs, and they use 11 Energy Bars a day (the 9 full ones you get per day + the daily bonus + hyperactive + enclave boost). We're also going to assume someone gets a Snake Encounter for every step they take in explore, and they win every single one, and they use every single KB they get on bases.
They earn 220KB a day, 6160 for the month. That's a total of 15 base apps, for no sleeping, just continuously playing Lioden, under ideal conditions in explore. "But Jester, what about the quests?" Daily quests boosts them up from 15 base apps to 16, as you only get 10KB per day from them, and you can only do 28 of them for the month. This means that, as of 2024, when the new base apps are added to the June shop, you cannot get 1 of each base by swapping between Gods. You will not be able to by earning 220KB a day.

Now, to do the math with sleeping, we're going to take 8 hours away from that, for a total of 16 hours a day. Adding in what we did earlier, that's about 7.5 energy bars a day. Under the same ideal conditions, and doing nothing but Lioden when you're awake, that's 4,350KB, or 10 apps. Even adding in the extra 280KB you get from daily quests, thatโ€™s 11 base apps for the entire month. Doing nothing but Lioden and sleeping, and only spending your KB on base applicators. With this, you can't even get one of each base app that's currently in the shop.

These numbers are also only for one account, but also in ideal conditions where you get an encounter every step, win every battle, and spend no other energy on breeding/stud requests. For less than ideal conditions, these numbers would drop dramatically. AKA, these numbers are physically impossible. I've found some of the highest earners in June to only be averaging about 100KB a day, if that. That's only 2800KB a day, or just 7 base applicators for the entire month. For context, I bought seven Spicy Ice apps from December, and that's not even all I got.

That means for each base app in the shop, if you do nothing but sleeping and playing Lioden, no taking breaks, no stopping to eat, no anything, you can only get 2 the entire month. To take a month with comparable base applicator values, like February with the Cherry Blossom base, you can get more than DOUBLE that amount and still have enough event currency left over to do some decor shopping.

It's just ridiculous that bases cost this much with the amount of them that are now tied to the month, and are required for breeding rare and pretty popular combos as well.

Another potential option is to drastically increase the amount of KB provided by each snake, up to around 10KB a battle, like the October Night Creatures provide. That would make grinding June actually worth it, and not just a slog sandwiched between two battle heavy months that leads to extreme burnout. Though, to be honest, I think both should be implemented together, especially now that they have two shops that use KB, and plan to increase both shops loads every year.

POST JUNE DEV UPDATE:
No real changes in the amount of KB that I've noticed. All the new encounters seem to be quest locked and with no information about them on the wiki, I can't really see if their numbers are any different. From what I've noticed with the quests I've gotten, it doesn't appear to be so. In fact, both the find a cultist encounter and the find a boat encounter don't even reward KB, just a +50EXP and a quest completion.



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Edited on 24/06/23 @ 06:57:57 by jester ๐Ÿณ๏ธ‍๐ŸŒˆ (#187561)

๐Ÿธ marrmalade (#38484)

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Posted on
2024-06-03 14:17:22
supporting,, I usually LOVE lioden events so far but this one? Yeah, no. Everyone's reasons for disliking the event / why it needs to be changed is something I 100% agree with, it should not be this hard or difficult to get event currency.



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Mookieluvr (#219717)

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2024-06-04 13:05:10
I forgot just how insane this event was, esp when your luck doesn't quite luck. 220 energy and 5 whole snake encounters. (I have stoic, too, so I only lost 7 energy from those wins, not a full 10)

This event Desperately needs a passive way to get Kb. Even other battle-focused months like July give other ways to obtain the currency on TOP of kicking serious ass in Explore.

The only other good thing I could think of would be to include the awful new shrine passage quest encounters in Explore even when you're NOT on that quest, and give a secondary option for when you're not doing the quest, sort of like in April, or more specifically, November.

Like, you can find the cultist statue around, and instead of destroying it on the quest, when you're not on the quest, you can like.. "Look around" and then it'll be like "You look around the cultist idol but don't find anything of interest, except some shiny beetles, which you take!" +2 kb, +10sb

It's a low Kb amount, but at least it'd be a passive encounter without much effort aside from a click (Or it could be made into an entirely passive encounter outside the quest, but since it would have a quest option when On the quest, I think making it like that would be better, + it could have multiple options for multiple rewards, I'm just spitballing with the one above), and it wouldn't cost energy since it's not a fight. I'd agree with boosting snake Kb to 4-5 kb per, too. Especially since we don't HAVE any passive ways of getting Kb right now.


Sorry if that seems all scrambled, I'm basically just thinking out loud here.


Edit: I DID actually just encounter a passive encounter while clicking through! It gives 1kb, but hey, it's a move in the right direction!!!

Edit 2: I got it twice on my side, it looks like this one is for bast, but on my main, I'll keep watch for if there is one for Anubis.
"Bast gasps and stops you in your steps. She pads gently towards fluttering butterflies, absolutely charmed by their movement and beauty, like a curious cat she is." +1 Kb



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Edited on 04/06/24 @ 19:37:04 by Mookieluvr (#219717)

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Posted on
2024-06-07 00:54:24
Either prices need to lowered or killing snakes needs to drop more of the currency + more random encounters in the explore should drop more, as you basicly get none unless you fight.

Also spawn/ encounter rates of banners and other things you need to destroy in quests need to be upped, sometimes you can spend two bars of energy and not even get one flag to burn for example.

Also I don't think it's needed to be at a point where you can get all the apps, that way it keeps it rare, but for the advrage player to be able to get say 3-5 apps and some of the decorations they want would be reasonable.


I've gotten 165 between two accounts since the event started so far. I'm working all the time atm, I can't spend all day trying to grind for some stuff I want, and neither can most people on here. It's frustrating.




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Edited on 07/06/24 @ 01:01:38 by MorningStar -G1Plumage 'stella (#25115)

Enkidu (#21215)

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2024-06-14 21:10:18
Coming from a user who hasn't played since 2013, and has to build up my king from the ground-up after only a week, starting this event has been REALLY demoralizing. I thought all Lioden events must be painful grindfests with the best items basically impossible to get unless you can dedicated the whole day to round-the-clock exploring... And now I read this thread, and they're NOT all like this?

With my lvl 6 king with 70 stats, I am winning battles against the snake demons less than half the time- that is with me exploring the Lvl 1 zone only in hopes of not taking so much damage. But they hit so hard regardless of whether I'm in the lvl 1 zone or the lvl 3-5 zone. With a week of playing on and off, I made like... 60 KB, and I decided to just give up on the idea of buying any of the bases because it seems so impossible to reach 400 KB as a new player who is playing very casually/too busy to grind constantly.

Especially because each snake killed, no matter what level zone and how powerful the snake, will always only drop 2 beetles and 1 scale.

So yeah. I'd also love to see a price reduction because TBH the event doesn't really seem worth it right now.



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Edited on 14/06/24 @ 21:10:53 by Enkidu (#21215)

Scorpioness (#225561)

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Posted on
2024-06-15 08:38:08
Bumping this suggestion because the prices still stay at outragous level and snakes drop the same amount of currency as last years
we need some extra optional quests like: bringing some twigs/leaves/herbs to trade with ushabti for currency, bah! even something like using energy once a day to helpi ushabti clean the shrine in exchange for some currency and low chance for common item (dead beatle or gem?)



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๐Ÿธ marrmalade (#38484)

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2024-06-16 12:46:22
Coming back here.. 663 KB on the 16th of June. Mind you, I've also used likely 3-5 red bulls/roasted lambs to even help me get to this point.. Cannot even afford two base applicators.

Makes this event really disappointing and not fun to participate, seeing as all your hard work is hardly rewarded. On my hands and knees BEGGING devs to fix this event before the end of the month, or before it comes around next year because I most likely will not be spending my beetles until then :/



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Edited on 16/06/24 @ 12:48:15 by ๐ŸŠ marrmalade (#38484)

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ROS Ebony (#224278)

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Posted on
2024-06-17 04:59:39
Morning of the 17 of June, with only 411 KB to my name, and at this point Iโ€™ll be lucky to be able to afford two whole base apps by the end of the month. I do agree that something needs to change, even with the extra currency from diety quests. Itโ€™s really just not enough to be able to comfortably collect currency and afford at least some of the items you wanted



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2024-06-17 05:30:57
I was really honestly expecting them to change it this year lol, guess not. I don't think they'll change it until the beginning of June next year, though, since people have already purchased things from the shop at their current prices this month, so it wouldn't be fair to them if they did lower the prices now.

I'd say I'm above average when it comes to grinding this event. I spend almost all my energy bars during the day, and I have a good amount of success when it comes to fighting the snakes. I think I have gotten 1600 KB total so far? So by the end of the month I can expect to afford 8 or maybe 9 base apps. I sure feel like my efforts are worth it!

It's a really discouraging event, honestly. Compare it to October, where Crunchy Worms are the most expensive item costing 300 BB, but the enemies are not as difficult to defeat AND most of them drop between 5-10 BB each (if I remember correctly). I feel bad for players joining in June. Low stat king, no lucky feet to help them out. I'd probably quit if this event was my first experience of Lioden.



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2024-06-17 09:08:45
Also re: folks that have already bought apps, I feel like they've changed item prices after they've been released before, and had some sort of mass refund system? Or am I misremembering? since yeah, I don't want to wait a whole 'nother year to save to get the things I want :/



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2024-06-23 08:50:41
Support! I generally only have enough KB from the entire month for 3-4 apps total. Itโ€™s ridiculous.

Most of the apps I get from the June event have to be traded / bought from other players for high prices if I want more than those few apps I was able to get for myself.



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