Posted by -LOCKED - Make FAPA Free

Caprini Inkcap
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2024-08-02 12:30:02

Hi all!


FAPA, or Feed All Play All is an accessibility tool being sold as a convenience in Oasis for 5gb per 30 days

It makes the game actually playable for disabled people, people with busy lives, or people who don't have the time to manually feed potentially hundreds of lions every few days and manually play with potentially hundreds of lions every day. I myself have several issues with my hands and need to pay the fee just to be able to play the game at all.

For this reason it should be free and be able to be opted in in the same area of Oasis or be an optional setting on player profiles. No one should have to pay for the ability to play a free browser game.

The setting should be optional for people who want to not have it active for any reason, just to clarify.



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Edit 3, to quote Sani (#306974) from the comments: "I can already see some sort of welfare clan for disabled players going very poorly and I hope we can completely disregard that alternative to focus on the actual point of the post.

On an anonymous online browser game, how is a player supposed to "prove" their disability to be in the clan, especially when countless disabilities aren't visible? And otherwise, how do you stop non-disabled players from taking advantage of the program? It's also somewhat demeaning in itself to start pooling money to strangers so they can afford an accesibility tool, rather than the site being accessible to them in the first place. When a site like this one is founded in community efforts, it's very important to keep the entire site open and accessible to all players. Removing flash options, reducing movement, hiding markings, colorblind modes, etc. are all free accessibility tools available to players. A lot of people have mentioned that once you get to a higher number of lions, it becomes extremely tedious to have to interact with each lion individually. That's more than just from the disabled players in the community, it's from the busy ones too. I think it's an excellent idea to make fapa free if it's inconveniencing a large part of our playerbase, especially if it's viewed as an accessibility tool by some. A disabled player shouldn't need to pay $60 usd worth of premium currency every year to be ABLE to play the game without enduring unnecessary pains."



EDIT: Also, the aspect of it being a gb sink does not hit the intended demographic for it being one- it hits low income players instead. A gb miser with thousands or tens of thousands of gb isn't concerned with a 5gb fee.



Edit 2: An addendum for some concerns of both commenters and about comments by myself:

1. A suggestion was made in the comments to make a more premium version of FAPA that keeps toy and food benefits when used and make that paid and the original free which I support (Thanks Equagga|G5 Harbinger
DHR Felis (#105402)
!)

2. Lioden welfare is a ridiculous suggestion for a website with documented cases of doxxing over rls let alone anything else its ridiculous for which is also explored in the comments.

3. If I don't know you then I do not care about the details of your life. I opened the floor for opinions and constructive criticism, keep personal details out of the conversation please. THIS HAS BEEN ADDED AFTER ONE PERSON USED THE FLOOR AND THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES TO ARGUE ENDLESSLY IN THE EARLY COMMENTS- NOT BECAUSE I ONLY CARE ABOUT MYSELF. My hand issues are the only relevant issues to this discussion, I have much more but I didnt talk about them here bc its irrelevant.

4. "Conveinience items irl arent free" they're also accessibility tools or services and that is its own seperate issue. This is an online game and FAPA takes zero tangible resources.

5. "But 5gb isnt too much" I dont care. No one should have to pay to play a free game. Other games of this nature have FAPA as the default and free. Saying "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" over pixels is real weird.
Thank you for taking the time to read!




This suggestion has 209 supports and 87 NO supports.



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Edited on 15/08/24 @ 03:10:14 by Caprini Inkcap 14/15 BO G1 (#270756)

mousecouch🕷️ (#21960)

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Posted on
2024-08-04 07:34:15
Totally popping in here from left field, but I wonder if we could take FAPA and make it free/lower cost and have a premium version that includes FAPA, auto nesting, and auto leveling. That way you only have to pay one condensed price each month. You can get FAPA for free/1GB and the premium version including the other auto buttons for 5GB a month.

ETA: I just realized auto nesting is 15GB a month, so this would have to work differently lol.



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Edited on 04/08/24 @ 07:35:15 by mousecouch🕷️ (#21960)

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Posted on
2024-08-04 19:55:43
i do support this, and i think that having a free version of fapa and then a “premium” version of it would be nice. people have pointed out that 5gb is a small fee, and if it is then i’m sure lioden could support free access to fapa across the playerbase.

as rover pointed out, not everyone can dedicate time and money to a game. i’m a teenager, and so obviously i can’t dedicate money to a free game for a simple accessibility feature. feeding your lions by hand is time consuming and tedious, and if you have a large pride it can easily get up to 30 minutes to an hour. addressing playing the game, there is no “way to play the game how it’s meant to be played”. lioden is a sandbox type game, where you the player can choose how to play the game, and if lioden did implement this feature, it wouldn’t be the first time lioden has made adjustments for accessibility.



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mewflakes (#88492)

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Posted on
2024-08-04 19:56:19
premium services are premium for a reason. don't have the time, energy, or ability to feed a large amount of lions manually? buy FAPA or have a smaller pride. it is really not that difficult to obtain 5gb a month.
lioden may be a free to play game, but it is also a play to win game. if you are active enough that you have hundreds of lions to interact with, you can surely make 5gb a month. if not, i feel like that is a bit of a personal issue.
convenience perks shouldn't just be handed out because they are convenient. it's behind a paywall for a reason.

i support the idea of players pitching in to help each other out. i think thats a nice thing. i don't support fapa being free for absolutely everyone.



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Edited on 04/08/24 @ 20:05:16 by mewflakes (#88492)

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Posted on
2024-08-04 20:21:45
I mean personally I don't think you should have to plan your life around a browser game stronger support now that i think about that- are people really planning their lives around lioden thats kind of funny



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🌸Knockout
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Posted on
2024-08-04 20:50:09
You can feed/amuse out of stacks in your hoard, and it takes only marginally longer than feed all play all
(FAPA is quicker if you don't have to organise who gets feed/doesn't, obviously)

It will take longer if you pick and choose who to feed, but overall I find it an easy way to manage my pride, I can do both my 40-60 lion prides in 5-10 minutes

I believe that an alternative that manages gb sinks and player interest would be enabling multiselect on lions for feeding out of stacks. This would allow you to have a stack of 50 uses, and then just pick which lions to feed
So, FAPA is premium, you don't have to have the items, but there is a quick and easy way to feed/play without paying.



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Edited on 04/08/24 @ 20:51:47 by 🌸Knockout {Side}🌸 (#232957)

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Posted on
2024-08-04 21:01:04
🌸Knockout{Side}🌸 (#232957)
I normally only use FAPA when I'm mass breeding for cubs to sell. During that time my only permanent lions are my sub and hunters. I like your suggestion. That I'll gladly support. They did multi select with nesting already. Something similar for food/amusement in hoard would be great!



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Shadow (Main) (#73284)

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Posted on
2024-08-04 21:02:49
Just want to pop in and say a couple things.

1. FAPA only uses food items and not amusement items. Yes you still have to have food in your hoard to even be able to feed your lions. Amusement items are never touched.

2. I don't believe it is fair for this to be changed to Free. Think about all the players who might have purchased several months of FAPA. If it becomes free, will those players get refunded or will they be at a loss for that GB.

3. FAPA is something that offers more than you think. Everyone thinks it only helps with Feeding or Playing with your whole pride, but as others have said, FAPA also acts like a broodmother.


Also want to state this:

Did anyone know that Cubs/Adols do not run from starvation or mood? They can be starving or at 0% mood and they won't run until they turn 2 years old. So you don't have to feed every lion all the time. Players can feed only their adult lions and not worry about the cubs/adols.

Also, another thing to keep in mind, you don't have to feed your lions daily. They don't run until they are at a certain mood/hunger. So feeding every 2-3 days is also recommended.



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Posted on
2024-08-04 21:06:25
"premium" fapa (costing 5gb) could have the continued use for free amusement, plus maybe combine it with autoleveling (2gb i believe), or as others have said, allow auto-feeding with a "premium" fapa to actually award stats / skull drops if it's a corresponding food item, opt out of feeding your king/specific lionesses, etc.

i 100% believe the auto-feeding tool with fapa should just be free, as once you have a large enough pride it's essentially impossible to play without it. not to mention players with disabilities struggling to physically be able to feed that many lions. i have pretty bad wrist issues off/on and even if i had a quarter as many lions, i physically would not be able to feed that many



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Edited on 28/08/24 @ 19:23:24 by vertigoat 🦤 | x2ros outlaw (#114297)

Caprini Inkcap
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Posted on
2024-08-04 23:20:34

This suggestion is about adding more accessibility to lioden, I have paid for FAPA for months if not years myself and I Do Not Care if I get refunded if this was implemented, other aspects of FAPA not mentioned in the post are intentionally left out to focus on why the suggestion has been made.


I'm really tired of real life arguments and economy arguments that AREN'T RELEVANT AT ALL




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Posted on
2024-08-05 08:22:35
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Jewel Wildmoon (#127341)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 10:31:56
Honestly, I just want them to implement a setting where you can set caves as priority so lions in those caves will be fed first with FAPA. I don't mind sales lions running away due to hunger as long as my main lions stay 😅



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🌙 Morrígra
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Posted on
2024-08-05 15:56:27
I half support (for now I support cuz I'm unlikely to find this thread again in the future lol). I think a lot of things can be used to make the current UI a lot more accessible/user friendly

Im.going to say this now, it used to be a lot easier to feed and play using toys. I don't want to be the like "i remember something others don't" so if anybody from pre 2018 agrees with me or can remember details please help me because I can't recall what it was, but I swear there was an easier way to feed everybody than sitting there going through each and every food item one at a time without FAPA.

I lasted several months after coming back from a 5 year hiatus (2018/Jan 2019? To March 2023) before I said f that, my hands can't handle it, and started paying for FAPA. I know FAPA existed back then but if memory serves, it was a thing mostly used by people with 100+ lions, people that just didnt have the time to bother spending 20 something minutes plus feeding their lions. It used to take me maybe 5? Minutes to feed everybody, even at a full 40 lions per pride, 5 minutes to mass click and then be done. I think I raced against rollover once or twice after returning and it was taking me like 10+ -- On mobile, where it's ALWAYS been easier to feed from the hoard. Most of that time was spent clicking back and forth between food items over and over. Computer was impossible ,I ended up switching to just going to my pride's individual pages on computer, was taking me like half an hour for less than 40 lions. Somebody tell me if I'm crazy, but I swear something was easier back 5 years ago - maybe just the UI was easier? FAPA was a luxury, a convenience, not a near necessity like it is now, especially if you've got bad mobility



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 16:01:57 by 🌙 Morrígra 🌙 (#33027)

Caprini Inkcap
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Posted on
2024-08-05 17:55:58
There was a series of minor UI changes that piled on eachother that make using items from stacks in the hoard damn near impossible with my crunchy hands and numbness during my 8 month ish hiatus and the previous year before it

It takes multiple attempts and several hours to feed a pride of 40 from stacks for me, its not worth my time when theres so much other stuff I could be doing. Including working, to pay my bills.
Yknow, like an adult. So I need FAPA to play at all. It doesn't feel like a luxury in the slightest, it feels like a curb cut. Especially becauae it provides no special benefits at all and has actually regularly screwed me out of items that do like honeycombs because the text is so small on the profile- especially on mobile.



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Wolf & Ghostling
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Posted on
2024-08-05 18:02:48
since we are talking about the UI, i want to add about my own mobile experience. i play on my tablet because lioden is a fun thing to focus on when sitting at my desk at the computer is too painful.

when i feed and play with lions from their own individual pages, every time i hit either feed or play button, the page refreshes and takes me back to the very top. which means that for every lion i must scroll down, feed, scroll back down, play, scroll back up to hit the arrow to move on to the next lion. if i backspace to the cave to avoid scrolling back up on the lion page, i have to scroll back down because the cave page is also always loaded at the top. it is frustrating and very painful on my fingers. i have hypermobility and this kind of motion is the most likely kind to dislocate my finger joints.

(this also happens with the explore button. i have to keep scrolling back down to see every encounter. explore-heavy events have been hell on my hands)



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Posted on
2024-08-05 18:31:24
Genuinely think this would just take the challenge away from what it means to have big prides.

This comes from someone who always has over 50 lions, who has wrist pains due to drawing AND seriously cannot live w/o fapa.

Yet, hear me out, having a large pride IS a challenge, if you cannot afford fapa to go along with that challenge, perhaps lower the amount of lions inside your pride? It may make your lioden experience much less stressful and better for you overall :)

Sorry, but a no support from me 3



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