Posted by -LOCKED - Make FAPA Free

Caprini Inkcap
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Posted on
2024-08-02 12:30:02

Hi all!


FAPA, or Feed All Play All is an accessibility tool being sold as a convenience in Oasis for 5gb per 30 days

It makes the game actually playable for disabled people, people with busy lives, or people who don't have the time to manually feed potentially hundreds of lions every few days and manually play with potentially hundreds of lions every day. I myself have several issues with my hands and need to pay the fee just to be able to play the game at all.

For this reason it should be free and be able to be opted in in the same area of Oasis or be an optional setting on player profiles. No one should have to pay for the ability to play a free browser game.

The setting should be optional for people who want to not have it active for any reason, just to clarify.



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to suck it up, making judgements of my character or financial status, or being off topic- thank you for doing so.



Edit 3, to quote Sani (#306974) from the comments: "I can already see some sort of welfare clan for disabled players going very poorly and I hope we can completely disregard that alternative to focus on the actual point of the post.

On an anonymous online browser game, how is a player supposed to "prove" their disability to be in the clan, especially when countless disabilities aren't visible? And otherwise, how do you stop non-disabled players from taking advantage of the program? It's also somewhat demeaning in itself to start pooling money to strangers so they can afford an accesibility tool, rather than the site being accessible to them in the first place. When a site like this one is founded in community efforts, it's very important to keep the entire site open and accessible to all players. Removing flash options, reducing movement, hiding markings, colorblind modes, etc. are all free accessibility tools available to players. A lot of people have mentioned that once you get to a higher number of lions, it becomes extremely tedious to have to interact with each lion individually. That's more than just from the disabled players in the community, it's from the busy ones too. I think it's an excellent idea to make fapa free if it's inconveniencing a large part of our playerbase, especially if it's viewed as an accessibility tool by some. A disabled player shouldn't need to pay $60 usd worth of premium currency every year to be ABLE to play the game without enduring unnecessary pains."



EDIT: Also, the aspect of it being a gb sink does not hit the intended demographic for it being one- it hits low income players instead. A gb miser with thousands or tens of thousands of gb isn't concerned with a 5gb fee.



Edit 2: An addendum for some concerns of both commenters and about comments by myself:

1. A suggestion was made in the comments to make a more premium version of FAPA that keeps toy and food benefits when used and make that paid and the original free which I support (Thanks Equagga|G5 Harbinger
DHR Felis (#105402)
!)

2. Lioden welfare is a ridiculous suggestion for a website with documented cases of doxxing over rls let alone anything else its ridiculous for which is also explored in the comments.

3. If I don't know you then I do not care about the details of your life. I opened the floor for opinions and constructive criticism, keep personal details out of the conversation please. THIS HAS BEEN ADDED AFTER ONE PERSON USED THE FLOOR AND THEIR CIRCUMSTANCES TO ARGUE ENDLESSLY IN THE EARLY COMMENTS- NOT BECAUSE I ONLY CARE ABOUT MYSELF. My hand issues are the only relevant issues to this discussion, I have much more but I didnt talk about them here bc its irrelevant.

4. "Conveinience items irl arent free" they're also accessibility tools or services and that is its own seperate issue. This is an online game and FAPA takes zero tangible resources.

5. "But 5gb isnt too much" I dont care. No one should have to pay to play a free game. Other games of this nature have FAPA as the default and free. Saying "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" over pixels is real weird.
Thank you for taking the time to read!




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Edited on 15/08/24 @ 03:10:14 by Caprini Inkcap 14/15 BO G1 (#270756)

Sani (#306974)

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Posted on
2024-08-28 15:48:32
Those remarks have a slightly backhanded connotation as it suggests players are being hypocritical for wanting accessibility while not using other tools they may not even want - the idea that an accessibility tool would go unused simply because other accessibility tools are not always used is not a fair one.

You've used that accessibility tool because you knew of it and wanted it. You are your own proof that accessibility tools are usually capitalized on and well-appreciated by their users. I'm not saying this to criticize you, but I'm fairly sure the other players here either did not know of the tool's use or did not feel like they needed it to write a casual forum post.

Additionally, your proposed solutions to this are fairly complex (most autoclickers and ghostmouse apps are not exactly easy to work with and/or require coding, going through the lions still, and/or payment for such applications)
People are looking for a convenient and accessible solution to a long-standing problem. Because the number of lions and your actions taken will be constantly changing, most apps such as ghostmouse aren't reliable or consistent. Additionally, autoclickers and ghostmouse often put a heavy load on older models of laptops and pcs, which can be difficult as some pages on lioden already load slowly or have a lot of information present. There's a large chance of those apps causing significant lag. They are also not always available to players with older/less advanced devices, or those playing on mobile. This suggested implementation would be sitewide and quite simple by comparison!

It's also important to understand that many people aren't able to police their disabilities due to lack of specific awareness. They may not be aware that they have policing tones, so feel no need to correct it. Hindsight is 20/20, after all, so it's best to try and be considerate of the fact that they are trying to communicate in a respectful way. There is bound to be some light controversy and disagreement, but no such personal attacks were necessary either way-that, I agree with.

These players are proposing a solution that is extremely optimal for them with little detriment to other users. It is up to every player whether they would want to use the tool if it was implemented- though I do prefer the idea of a free, simple FAPA and a more advanced purchaseable version. This is about relieving struggling players of a huge inconvenience and a very rational reason to quit the game. Discussion over lioden's inconsistent formatting, lack of shift-click permissions, and time-consuming playstyle has always existed. Since a free basic fapa would hold little detriment to users and provide great accesibility and much more ease-of-access to ALL players, without taking any significant profit from the developers, it's a very solid idea to me.

And to just say: All are welcome to their opinions on fapa's implementation, but please don't bring the conversation off-topic to make statements on other peoples' usage of accessibility items. It is freely and wholly up to them.

Tone: Formal ;3

I do thank you for the suggestion for tone corrections, but it'd be better to phrase it in a way that suggests that it is simply convenient, rather than hypocritical if unused. No aggression here, just a simple suggestion. Robots cannot always understand connotations, especially without context. Let's all try to keep this conversation civil and be understanding of one another.



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Jewel Wildmoon (#127341)

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Posted on
2024-08-28 19:13:10
I honestly thought auto-clickers were against TOS or something 😅 Is it still banned entirely or do the devs allow you to use it as long as it isn't used specifically for explore/minigames?



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Posted on
2024-08-28 20:00:48
Hello everyone,

We'd like to kindly remind everyone that discussion of or encouraging use of automated programs, such as Ghostmouse, auto clickers, or macros, is not permitted on Lioden. These programs are seen as a form of cheating and are prohibited for use by bullet 3.1 of our Code of Conduct.

Arguing, disrespect, and backhanded comments are all behaviors that are not appropriate for Lioden. When providing feedback or responses on suggestion topics, players are expected to behave in a respectful manner and be constructive with their comments. Due to repeated instances of disrespectful comments and inciting arguments within this topic, despite previous reminders from staff, we will be permanently locking this thread.

Thank you for understanding.



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