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 Caprini Inkcap (project) (#270756) UwU View Forum Posts  Posted on 2024-08-02 12:30:02 |
Hi all!FAPA, or Feed All Play All is an accessibility tool being sold as a convenience in Oasis for 5gb per 30 days |
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G2 Haliotis Shreds BHR,DBHR,MR (#229808) 
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-03 14:49:54 |
I agree. I've only been back for a few weeks and I'm starting to remember why I quit again. I can't do this, it's so tedious, painful and annoying. I'm burnt out just existing and LD somehow becomes a chore that I dread - there are days I would rather play steam games and ignore LD altogether. I need the FAPA or I just can't play this god awful energy-draining browser game. From 140 lions to 60, still trying to get rid of them all. Lol.  3 players like this post! Like? |
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Caprini Inkcap (project) (#270756) UwU View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-03 17:50:29 |
Absolutely wild a suggestion for lioden welfare was made on this post when I as a disabled person know for a fact that anyone actually taking it would be hunted down and harrassed by the rest of the playerbase. Irl people who use mobility aids under the age of 70 yo are unsafe in public and theres heavy stigma against welfare. Money pools are not the solution to this problem, the prior suggestions of making a more premium version of FAPA and making that paid and the original free would solve this problem. Edit: The suggestion for lioden welfare also assumes all or most disabled players know eachother or are friendly. Thats not the case. We are people, not a hive mind. 1 player likes this post! Like?Edited on 03/08/24 @ 17:54:07 by Caprini Inkcap 14/15 BO G1 (#270756) |
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apricot (they/them) (#460097)
Total Chad View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-03 17:56:43 |
Hi, I would prefer if you would speak to me directly. Obviously, I think receipient should be able to choose to be anonymous. I also think the stigma against welfare is a little different than the stigma for getting something for free in a video game. As someone who grew up extremely poor (and is still poor, and works with children in poverty), please do not compare those two things. I think it's a little offensive. I, however, did not read that version of the suggestion. I think that would also work, and is a good idea. That is suggestion I would support. EDIT: I guess I get to also mention I am disabled. Please do not speak down to me like that over a video game. 4 players like this post! Like?Edited on 03/08/24 @ 17:59:20 by apricot (they/them) (#460097) |
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Caprini Inkcap (project) (#270756) UwU View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-03 18:06:21 |
My intention wasn't to talk down to you. I was talking on my own post. About what you said, sure but still talking on my own post. If you want to talk to me directly you can. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 03/08/24 @ 18:06:38 by Caprini Inkcap 14/15 BO G1 (#270756) |
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FROZEN | CONTACT SIDE (#208511)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-03 18:12:24 |
I do support the suggestion, but the idea for a clan that raises money to try to provide people with FAPA isn't outlandish or offensive in and of itself. There are so many clans that aim to provide the playerbase with this or that. Maybe not specifically for disabled people, but any players. I am also somewhat in agreement that Lioden is a play to win game which requires time, though not necessarily that a huge chunk of that time should be spent feeding lions. It's probably not a good idea to keep more lions than you can care for, but as a lion sim, why can't someone have all the lions they want? I don't know. 🤷♂️ I also genuinely do not think 5  is that much per month for a convenience, which it is a convenience imo, as isn't all that hard to raise if you play the game. Like I mentioned, play to win. But I wouldn't care if it got made cheaper or changed to be free. I am disabled and have horrible joints since that seems to be something that needs to be said. I manually feed and play with my lions because I didn't want to spare the 10 when I could be RMRing my stupid project lion. (That's 5 RMRs. I am thinking about in terms of RMRs now. Help me. I'm so glad to be done.) As an aside, not everyone reads every comment before posting their own thoughts. If you'd like any suggestions made in the comments to be considered with the main post, it's best to add it! 5 players like this post! Like?Edited on 03/08/24 @ 18:12:55 by 🤎 leon (#208511) |
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Sani (#306974)
Nice Guy View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-03 18:29:13 |
I can already see some sort of welfare clan for disabled players going very poorly and I hope we can completely disregard that alternative to focus on the actual point of the post. On an anonymous online browser game, how is a player supposed to "prove" their disability to be in the clan, especially when countless disabilities aren't visible? And otherwise, how do you stop non-disabled players from taking advantage of the program? It's also somewhat demeaning in itself to start pooling money to strangers so they can afford an accesibility tool, rather than the site being accessible to them in the first place. When a site like this one is founded in community efforts, it's very important to keep the entire site open and accessible to all players. Removing flash options, reducing movement, hiding markings, colorblind modes, etc. are all free accessibility tools available to players. A lot of people have mentioned that once you get to a higher number of lions, it becomes extremely tedious to have to interact with each lion individually. That's more than just from the disabled players in the community, it's from the busy ones too. I think it's an excellent idea to make fapa free if it's inconveniencing a large part of our playerbase, especially if it's viewed as an accessibility tool by some. A disabled player shouldn't need to pay $60 usd worth of premium currency every year to be ABLE to play the game without enduring unnecessary pains. I 100% support. 5 players like this post! Like? |
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Caprini Inkcap (project) (#270756) UwU View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-03 18:37:42 |
Sani put it better than I can because I cant take the suggestion of lioden welfare serious when this is the same website where people are harrassed off site over rls. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Dust | G1 Kunzite base (Vernal (#234552) Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-03 18:49:29 |
I can also agree with what Sani said. In my previous post I had mentioned that my attention span and short patience doesn't allow me to interact individually with my lions but that is because I tend to have quite a bit of anxiety and I also tend to get dizzy from staring at a screen for to long which tends to interfere with a lot of what I do on here or on another game. If not make it free then maybe lowering the gb price and or also adding an sb price may work as a compromise the sb price could possibly be about 1000-3000sb for those 30 days. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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🗡️ LunarKnight (G1 Ennedi) (#151072) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-03 19:56:11 |
No support. 5gb seriously isn't hard unless you're rarely actually playing the game. You can easily afford it by participating in the monthly events at the very least. Selling event items in/out of season or even selling event currency. It's available for convenience. Convenience isn't always free or cheap in real life. It also doubles as a automatic broodmother if you remember to push play all each rollover. The Hornbill Majordomo in monkey business is 200sb a use. FAPA can easily act as a replacement for the item. 5gb = 5,000sb ÷ 200sb = 25 uses of Hornbill Majordomo. 5gb is actually fairly generous if you think about it. I don't care if you agree with me or not about this. It's my point of view. You're entitled to yours and me mine. I have tendonitis in both ankles yet that doesn't stop me from going to work and doing my job. My job, Goodwill by the way, won't accommodate my needs so I choose to manage instead of take the time to find another job. Us stubborn folk need to realize that in the end it's our choice to keep it up or go elsewhere. In the end a business is still a business. 5 players like this post! Like? |
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🗡️ LunarKnight (G1 Ennedi) (#151072) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-03 21:39:40 |
Peroneal tendonitis isn't a disability. Only a medical condition. Y'all talked about your issues. I have no medical related issues with a online game. I do with my job though. Simply used it as an example. No matter what it is, business is still business. A online game is no different. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Anne (BO Sidereal) 🇵🇸 (#61013) Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-04 01:01:22 |
You might want to add what Sani posted, in the suggestion. Wish more people would read that first and understand what the main issue is here. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Caprini Inkcap (project) (#270756) UwU View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-04 02:02:35 |
I will after work And add in some html since obviously some parts of the post arent being read without it 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Admiral Potato [gift & poop] (#160098) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-04 06:51:11 |
I tend more towards no support. Fapa is - while more expensive - a convinience function, just like Auto breeding, skipping the gorilla quest, choosing tiles for hunting/patrolling or checking your cubs for AMPs. But it does interact with multiple lions at once and lasts 30 days, which makes it in my eyes a justified price. There are plenty of money making guides for GB & SB to gain the currency. 4 players like this post! Like? |
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🏳️🌈 Charlie - RGR! 🏳️🌈 (#379209)
Asshole View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-04 06:59:57 |
Lunar (and not just you - open statement but you got me thinking about this) - my take on that is that yes, you must work with an injury - we all have to work, essentially, in some way or another, regardless of injury or disability (barring some cases). That's why accessibility for those with disability in the workplace is mandated by law, at least in America. But having a disability and being inconvenienced by a game is a little different. That's why I personally don't find that example very relevant. IDK if it's worse or better - but it's certainly not a nice feeling to kinda be told "welp not my problem" when UI features and FAPA, for example, could be modified to help make the user experience better. E.g. being able to shift click for Lionesses or nesting materials - that would rock. There are certain measures we must all deal with - I'm colorblind so sometimes that is inconvenient for me and I understand not every website will have accessibility for that. I have joint problems and can get stiff and achey playing - personally a convenience tool is pretty much a must-have. I don't mind paying for it, but I'm not really a fan that FAPA lacks the benefits provided by feeding lions individually (stat boosts). THat's my main beef for sure lol 4 players like this post! Like? |
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🗡️ LunarKnight (G1 Ennedi) (#151072) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-04 07:07:48 |
My point of that was you know what you're getting into. Most online games would be difficult for those with hand issues because that's what you use for it. My other point is that FAPA is convenience only. My last point is it automatically acts as a broodmother and Hornbill Majordomo which costs currency in monkey business. The staff could've easily just not coded FAPA at all. It might not take any food or amusement resources from your hoard but it does replace a already coded item. 5 players like this post! Like? |
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