-LOCKED - Discussion: Raffle Lionesses
Posted on 2024-08-05 08:57:00
We are aware of some issues that the community has been voicing with the raffle lioness system, with some complaints including it being difficult to pass on raffle-exclusive traits, raffle lionesses going to inactive accounts, and so on. We have had our own discussion among the developers and would now like to present a discussion where the community can provide feedback on the ideas we have outlined below regarding how the system can be modified, and possibly even give their own ideas if they aren't already covered.

We will be closely monitoring this topic to record feedback, which we will then use for an upcoming site poll.


New Features Being Implemented

We have some features that will be added regardless of feedback within a future update:

New Features We May Implement


* Adjusting the raffle lioness system so that only players who have been active in the last two days (so Wednesdays onward) will have a chance to win when the raffle lioness is pulled
* Sending an email notification to the player who won the weekly raffle lioness


New Features We're Considering/Discussing

These are features we have had ideas for, or have found in the Game Development forums, and would like to see which of the following would be most preferred.

** 1. Storing raffle lioness designs and releasing them slowly through explore.
Essentially, this would mean creating multiple copies of the same raffle lioness to be slow-dripped into the game through the claiming system. They would work as chased lionesses, so only kings with Average impression or higher could find them. This would likely come with a failsafe so that if the lioness fails to be claimed, she goes back into the chased pool so another player has a chance to claim her. All raffle lionesses are made with the Nurturing (Good) personality, so raffle lionesses released through the claiming system would display the Good pose.

The first week, Raffle Lioness 1 is pulled and sent to the winner, and Raffle Lioness 2 is put up to be impressed. The second week, Raffle Lioness 2 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 3 is put up to be impressed, and a clone of Raffle Lioness 1 is put into the chased lioness pool in explore. The third week, Raffle Lioness 3 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 4 is put up to be impressed, and clones of Raffle Lionesses 1 and 2 are put into the chased pool in explore. This repeats up to a maximum of 9 clones, making for 10 total lionesses with the same design.

A graph to show the overall release schedule for raffle lionesses through explore.
[Click to view the image full-sized]




** 2. Releasing an identical replica raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness.
The stud would have the exact same traits as the raffle lioness, but rather than being delivered to a winner's territory, a select amount of players (between 20-50) would win the ability to breed with him. This would work similarly to August's event studs in that items could not be used on the stud for breeding. We also considered, if implementing replica studs, to allow all players to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but lock weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 3. Implementing raffle studs in general.
An alternative to releasing an identical replica raffle stud would be releasing a raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness who may share similar traits, e.g. if a raffle lioness is releasing a brand new eye colour, the raffle stud that week would have that eye colour as well, or if she is releasing a brand new raffle marking, the raffle stud that week would have that marking as well (either in the same slot, or a different slot). Breedings to this stud would also be limited to 20-50 players weekly, and items would not be allowed. This would also come with all players being able to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but locking weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 4. Releasing more than one raffle lioness per week.
This would either be multiple identical copies of the same raffle lioness, or up to 3 different raffle lionesses at once who would share some of the same traits, but not be identical.


** 5. Releasing recreated copies of previous raffle lionesses who are on banned/closed accounts.
This would be making a replica of the raffle lioness to raffle off through the official raffle system. The original raffle lioness would stay on the same account. This is specifically only for permanently suspended accounts, and accounts that have been closed—not inactive accounts that are not suspended/closed.


** 6. Allow the weekly raffle lioness to be impressed daily instead of once weekly for higher chances of winning, therefore rewarding more active players.
The weekly raffle lioness would still be available for a full week as usual, but daily impression attempts will add up and give a greater chance at winning her as compared to only one attempt per week (how it currently works).


** 7. Add a second raffle lioness for players who have rolled over at least 365 times in total (not consecutively), with potentially more unique traits than a standard Dreamboat raffle lioness.
Players who have rolled over 365 or more times would have the ability to impress both the standard Dreamboat raffle lioness, as well as a second raffle lioness that is only available to accounts with 365+ total rollovers.





We may mix-and-match some of the options, but we will be polling the community on these options regardless.

If you have any ideas or suggestions that were not listed above, we would appreciate your input and highly encourage you to provide a detailed response within this news post!

We will be deleting any comments that do not actually contribute to the discussion.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:34:29 by Katze (#3)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 08:57:16
Omg epic news
I’ve never made first. Sweet. Gonna read now. XD

I love the idea of the raffle lioness being a chased NCL! And bringing back old raffle lionesses that are on banned/closed accounts!

Especially like that the player has to be active. That will be really nice for those of us who are constantly playing :3



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 09:05:47 by eve // 🖤 G1 Primal Albino 🤍 (#4577)

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--------- WIP, will continue editing as i formulate my thoughts and discussion evolves! ---------

a growing userbase and newer breeding items like crunchy worms have drastically altered the RL scene a lot since its release, as well as countless additions since then such as yohimbe barks, ochre powders, freezing lions, etc. making changes would definitely help modernize the RL scene.

while i would love a surefire way to ensure the RL goes to an active player, i don't like the idea of excluding anyone who hasn't rolled over from wednesday onwards. imagine missing a day of RO and thereby losing a chance at winning a raffle lioness you're in love with because something came up IRL or you forgot to roll over. i've skipped RO multiple times due coming home late after a double shift and being too exhausted to take care of my pride or not wanting to waste a RO for valuable lions, and sometimes something just comes up IRL.

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#1 - 4: while there are a lot of gorgeous RLs i would love to get my hands on, it would feel a bit less special to me if users could easily get their hands on multiple copies of her - lucky users often go on to clone special lionesses and redistribute these clones that then continue to reproduce exponentially. on one hand, this keeps a RL line alive which is good to see, but can also quickly oversaturate a market as well.

these lionesses can cost thousands of GB worth in items to breed [ not to mention obtain- they're often worth thousands of GB themselves if they ever even go up for sale! ], sometimes requiring yohimbe barks for more breeding attempts in order to even clone once. having multiple copies floating around would cheapen the experience to me. winning a special lioness is such a special and exclusive moment - i and many others have played LD for 10+ years and never won one; i think winning a RL is a special moment that special should stay special.

imagine spending thousands of GB worth in savings to buy and breed a raffle lioness only for another user who won a RL copy of her to get lucky and sell her descendants cheaply for a quick buck, who then go on to become kings and cloneable lionesses. eventually, clones and descendants will be worth much less and be much more common, making it difficult to make back any money spent if you choose to try.

the chances of this can vary drastically, of course; some RL lines have countless clones floating about while others died without cloning, but investing in a RL would be even more of a gamble if copies of her were much more accessible. because of these reasons, i'm quite uneasy about releasing copies or near copies of RLs in any way - NCLs, duplicate RLs, etc. but i still love the idea of having variants available!

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#3: i like the idea of having variants of the RL's traits for the userbase at large to obtain, be it through sub-raffles, studs, or NCLs. the entire userbase deserves a chance to appreciate and enjoy the content lioden's artists, designers, and users work so hard to design and create, and no one has a right to gatekeep specific traits. many of these traits are important to other users' breeding projects - some traits were even suggestions made by players! these users deserve a chance to enjoy their ideas brought to life.

ideas for variants, be they studs, sub-RLs, or sNCLS, could include a different base [maybe even an applicator or common base] and some of the RL's marks OR the same base and a maximum of 1-3 shared marks if the base is new, with all markings preferably probably in different slots, and different remaining traits [mane shape, eye color, etc.] if not new or very rare. basically, i'd limit the amount of shared traits and breed-only traits available on variants of the "main" RL and have a total of 1-2 variant RLs and a stud, if any, at most. 20 studding slots to one raffle stud is already a fair amount to me, anything close to 50 may be pushing it. as stated above, having many clones or near clones of your special lioness would really cheapen the experience for me.

this slot switcheroo could kill two birds with one stone by helping to make rare, inactive/extinct, or hoarded marking slots less of an issue! i'd also recommend a special icon or notification for special NCLs in explore to give players a heads up that they found something very special! to limit the amount of NCLs released, maybe if the sNCL wasn't claimed, only then would another sNCL would be released.

i'm not too fond of having exact copies or near copies of RLs available at all be it through raffle studs or other lionesses for the reasons stated above, but the same trait in a different slot, or the RL's traits spread out between multiple options doesn't sound too bad.

if any sort of RL variant feature [ sNCLs, RL clones, RL studs, RL variants, etc. ] is implemented i strongly suggest doing a few trial runs before setting any features in stone to see how these lions spread and how the community feels about everything.

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#5: i love this idea! all of katze's gorgeous designs deserve a fair chance to be loved and appreciated by the userbase.

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#7: 365 rollovers feels like a lot, but if it works i'm all for it! so many lovely lionesses have been lost to inactive accounts, sadly. maybe admins could look into the stats on how many newbie accounts go inactive to see what the sweet spot of activity is - who is most likely to keep playing vs. going inactive?

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#6: while i like the idea of rewarding activity with more impression attempts, this would essentially punish users who are too busy to RO daily or may be freezing a side account, so i'm a bit unsure about this option including the 3 day rollover requirement. on top of this, they'd already be more likely to find special NCLs, if implemented, as well. maybe this could be an option for "lower value" options like the raffle stud or RL variants with fewer special traits?

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and lastly, thank you to LD's staff for listening to our concerns, we appreciate your hard work trying to constantly improve this game



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 11:26:53 by shenanigans (#23653)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 08:58:19
Yay news! Excited for the explore available variants



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Posted on
2024-08-05 08:58:23
I think these are all cool options!



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2024-08-05 08:58:25
That's nice to here that they'll make the RL goes to an active account =3



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Posted on
2024-08-05 08:58:36
:0 this sounds so cool



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Posted on
2024-08-05 08:58:43
This would actually be really cool



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Posted on
2024-08-05 08:59:12
Oooo~ this is new...i like it



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Posted on
2024-08-05 08:59:23
I love the idea of a raffle stud. :O



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Posted on
2024-08-05 08:59:37
Oh my gods the RL stud system would be a DREAM
in other words NEWSSSSS



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2024-08-05 08:59:46
Yes to these ideas



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Posted on
2024-08-05 08:59:52
Love the ideas! :O



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Posted on
2024-08-05 08:59:53
THIS IS AMAZING AND GIVES MORE PEOPLE THE CHANCE TO HAVE COOL LIONS



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Posted on
2024-08-05 08:59:56
That sounds really cool, thanks!



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Posted on
2024-08-05 08:59:58
This is about the constellation RL isn’t it?

Yes, a safeguard against a raffle lioness ending up inaccessible would be wonderful. I particularly love the chased idea. I prefer that to coding activity rewards into the raffle itself. Those chased RLs will likely go to avid explorers, so it’s a more subtle way of rewarding activity. I do NOT support multiple tickets. I like that everyone gets equal odds of getting the RL, and I hope that stays the same

If there’s one thing I think absolutely should be implemented, it’s the secondary release of exclusive markings/eye colors through a raffle stud. I bet if that happens, in a few months players will view it as *normal* and wonder how we ever lived any other way.

Of course, it will make those traits more plentiful on release and early RL cubs wouldn’t be as absurdly exclusive and expensive, but I’m fine with that, personally. Winning the RL should be about the luck and excitement, in my opinion. A bucket of GB is just a bonus

Plus, knowing that there were more copies of her coming would help with the issue where the community harasses the RL winner when they don’t do what people want. The scrutiny that comes with winning the RL could stand to be taken down a notch, if you ask me



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 11:33:39 by Ecaeris|G2 Rhodonite Green Boi (#470461)



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