-LOCKED - Discussion: Raffle Lionesses
Posted on 2024-08-05 08:57:00
We are aware of some issues that the community has been voicing with the raffle lioness system, with some complaints including it being difficult to pass on raffle-exclusive traits, raffle lionesses going to inactive accounts, and so on. We have had our own discussion among the developers and would now like to present a discussion where the community can provide feedback on the ideas we have outlined below regarding how the system can be modified, and possibly even give their own ideas if they aren't already covered.

We will be closely monitoring this topic to record feedback, which we will then use for an upcoming site poll.


New Features Being Implemented

We have some features that will be added regardless of feedback within a future update:

New Features We May Implement


* Adjusting the raffle lioness system so that only players who have been active in the last two days (so Wednesdays onward) will have a chance to win when the raffle lioness is pulled
* Sending an email notification to the player who won the weekly raffle lioness


New Features We're Considering/Discussing

These are features we have had ideas for, or have found in the Game Development forums, and would like to see which of the following would be most preferred.

** 1. Storing raffle lioness designs and releasing them slowly through explore.
Essentially, this would mean creating multiple copies of the same raffle lioness to be slow-dripped into the game through the claiming system. They would work as chased lionesses, so only kings with Average impression or higher could find them. This would likely come with a failsafe so that if the lioness fails to be claimed, she goes back into the chased pool so another player has a chance to claim her. All raffle lionesses are made with the Nurturing (Good) personality, so raffle lionesses released through the claiming system would display the Good pose.

The first week, Raffle Lioness 1 is pulled and sent to the winner, and Raffle Lioness 2 is put up to be impressed. The second week, Raffle Lioness 2 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 3 is put up to be impressed, and a clone of Raffle Lioness 1 is put into the chased lioness pool in explore. The third week, Raffle Lioness 3 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 4 is put up to be impressed, and clones of Raffle Lionesses 1 and 2 are put into the chased pool in explore. This repeats up to a maximum of 9 clones, making for 10 total lionesses with the same design.

A graph to show the overall release schedule for raffle lionesses through explore.
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** 2. Releasing an identical replica raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness.
The stud would have the exact same traits as the raffle lioness, but rather than being delivered to a winner's territory, a select amount of players (between 20-50) would win the ability to breed with him. This would work similarly to August's event studs in that items could not be used on the stud for breeding. We also considered, if implementing replica studs, to allow all players to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but lock weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 3. Implementing raffle studs in general.
An alternative to releasing an identical replica raffle stud would be releasing a raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness who may share similar traits, e.g. if a raffle lioness is releasing a brand new eye colour, the raffle stud that week would have that eye colour as well, or if she is releasing a brand new raffle marking, the raffle stud that week would have that marking as well (either in the same slot, or a different slot). Breedings to this stud would also be limited to 20-50 players weekly, and items would not be allowed. This would also come with all players being able to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but locking weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 4. Releasing more than one raffle lioness per week.
This would either be multiple identical copies of the same raffle lioness, or up to 3 different raffle lionesses at once who would share some of the same traits, but not be identical.


** 5. Releasing recreated copies of previous raffle lionesses who are on banned/closed accounts.
This would be making a replica of the raffle lioness to raffle off through the official raffle system. The original raffle lioness would stay on the same account. This is specifically only for permanently suspended accounts, and accounts that have been closed—not inactive accounts that are not suspended/closed.


** 6. Allow the weekly raffle lioness to be impressed daily instead of once weekly for higher chances of winning, therefore rewarding more active players.
The weekly raffle lioness would still be available for a full week as usual, but daily impression attempts will add up and give a greater chance at winning her as compared to only one attempt per week (how it currently works).


** 7. Add a second raffle lioness for players who have rolled over at least 365 times in total (not consecutively), with potentially more unique traits than a standard Dreamboat raffle lioness.
Players who have rolled over 365 or more times would have the ability to impress both the standard Dreamboat raffle lioness, as well as a second raffle lioness that is only available to accounts with 365+ total rollovers.





We may mix-and-match some of the options, but we will be polling the community on these options regardless.

If you have any ideas or suggestions that were not listed above, we would appreciate your input and highly encourage you to provide a detailed response within this news post!

We will be deleting any comments that do not actually contribute to the discussion.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:34:29 by Katze (#3)

Scarecrow (#477331)

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Posted on
2024-08-08 13:38:44
^I honestly agree with this the most. Release a stud with a limited number of BO traits but have him cost a decent amount or require a weekly quest before you can stud a lioness to him. Again, the problem with raffle studs is that they aren't gonna feel like a legitimate reward compared to a raffle lioness, they're a gamble even if you DO win.

Raffle lionesses could become more of a showcase of a trait being released rather than a way to specifically spread that exclusive trait around.

Sure she'd still be an amazing gift, but she'll be a design anyone can make and modify with effort.



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Posted on
2024-08-08 14:06:51
1/3/4/7 are all options that appeal to me personally



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Akuma|RLC collector| (#317175)

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Posted on
2024-08-08 18:14:49
I like the idea of rereleasing raffle lionesses that are on BANNED or CLOSED accounts only, Some inactive accounts are mostly frozen til February to preserve a heat or lifespan of a raffle lioness, Clones or hybrids so it wouldn’t really be fair to them to come back to see a duplicate 🫤 I know I would be mad if I owned a raffle lioness and I find out another of the same one was released cause I was freezing an account and people assumed it was inactive

I do agree with those who dislike the idea of releasing multiple copies of a raffle lioness

I’ve stated it multiple times but if you think about releasing multiple into the chase pool, It’s also unfair if some rich player not only wins the raffle lioness but finds the copy as well or multiple copies, 1-2 different raffle lionesses does sound nice as it gives chances for multiple pretty designs but I do dislike the releasing copies of a raffle lioness into explore takes away the “Special” aspect

Those are mostly the main issues I have with what was posted

The raffle studs is a good idea seeing as you stated items can’t be used and hey, If you win the raffle lioness there’s a chance you can win a studding and boom, Free king to breed your lioness to without having to king and heritage rep a clone!



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Posted on
2024-08-08 23:40:49
I like the idea of a second RL for 365+ rollover players.
That way everyone gets a chance at the regular RL, but there's also a backup, even slightly more exciting RL that doesn't run the risk of going to an inactive or short-term account.
I think that alone would solve the problems without flooding the game with RL traits and cheapening the RL experience.
Adding chased duplicates or studs or several RLs would water down the RL experience quite a bit.

Re-releasing lost RLs from banned accounts would also be nice and seems fair.



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2024-08-09 05:55:16
I love the idea of having multiple Raffles, one for any user, and one for user's with 365+ days. I also like the idea of being able to breed to a Stud who is similar to the RL, but not the same. Like other user's have said, I think creating multiple copies of the same RL makes the OG RL less special. I've never won a RL, but if/when I do, it should be special and something random. I love the idea of similar Raffle Studs! Not the same, but if a new eye is released, the stud also has the eyes. I think it's really important to keep RL's special, otherwise what's the point of doing them?

I also dislike the idea of having to roll within 2 days of RL being pulled. What's the point of even trying to claim before Wednesday? Also, not everyone rolls every day. Sometimes I'll go several days without rolling, and sometimes I'm on for hours in one day. It would suck to forget to roll or get busy and lose a potential RL just bc I didn't log in. It almost feels like punishing us for not being active enough. I do think sending an email to people who win an RL is a good idea! Someone who is active on monday to attempt to impress but inactive by the time raffle is drawn is likely to come back, at least temporarily, at the prospect of having a shiny new lucrative lioness. If nothing else, it might push them to try to sell the RL.

EDIT:
I forgot to add that for raffle studs, I think one of two things should happen, should it be implemented. If the number of available slots is as low as 20-50, I think that one RL marking/special feature should auto pass. Maybe not the same for everyone, maybe a random mark should auto pass to at least one cub per breeding. This way, you're guaranteed something in return for winning the raffle, you're not just stuck with potatoes. If we don't like it auto passing on, I think the slots should be raised to 100 (there are constantly at least 2k people ONLINE) and we should be allowed to use items. I love the idea of a raffle stud, but in comparison to winning a RL, the stud falls short. If you win a raffle stud, you should get a guaranteed special mark/trait, or be able to use items. Otherwise, most studdings will be wasted on potato cubs anyway

Also, controversial, but I think it should cost more to enter the raffle. I don't know a good price, but I feel like 50sb is too cheap.



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Edited on 09/08/24 @ 06:07:05 by Mossy🌠 |G3 Splash Quad-Rose| (#180015)

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Posted on
2024-08-09 06:01:49
I don't like #1 and #2 ideias. I hate the NCL ideia, it would be perfect if it were just the new traits (eyes/skin/new markings) but an exact clone of the RL? Nops.

#4 is cool, more than one RL and people choose the one they'd like to enter the raffle.

#5 is awesome! we lost many RLs for banned/abandoned accounts before, it's a great idea for recovering them.

#6 and #7 are cool



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2024-08-09 08:43:44
The one thing falling mostly flat it seems is the wednesday rolling idea. Maybe there could be a set amount of ROs required within the week to be pulled for the raffle? perhaps 3 or 4/7 days of the week leading up to friday again? I want the activity idea to work, as it discourages multi-accounting I think. It’s harder to remain active on many accounts than it is to log into one once a week to pay a 50sb fee!



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Posted on
2024-08-09 12:40:46
ok so i spent the better part of a week looking threw and thinking i think there are several ways this could work and not hurt the prices of current raffle lionesses. In turn it would release several extinct lines.

im starting with what i think is the best idea. The studs. However i don't want them to match the current RLC. i was the to be EXTINCT Studs. Let players stud to them like we do the august studs. It gives players the chance to get extinct eyes bases markings etc. Have the studs available once a week for say 50 players. Have it be a new stud every week and start with the oldest and extinct lines. No one needs a Ra stud when there 2000 near raffle lioness clones of that line. Those 50 players 3 or 4 might get the base and, like with any stud, they may end up with 6 or so markings. None of them will end up with a full clone unless they work REALLY hard and other players with those cubs cooperate and they can breed back the extinct line. This helps the market by having the Extinct studs cubs worth a similar amount to a RL cub. By having it be a stud similar to the man eater studs then we know its not on dead or banned accounts. Players would need to log in accept the stud and select which lioness they are choosing to breed with him.

Is there a way we can kinda get other events with August type studs? A player could pay 600 event currency to stud to the stud like the august studs and they would have say one of the event bases or eyes or anything along those lines and not be a raffle lioness clone but would give the chance for say the eyes of an extinct lines.

Is there a way to tell which RLs went to banned accounts? Would it be possible to simple make one copy of each of the banned RLs or the extinct ones and released them as a chase simply to get them back in the game to a random active player? by not telling us when you release it it would be all by a lot of luck. maybe even have it as an Event similar to how you get a Solarias base applicator? Have a lion encounter and inform the player they have found an extinct bloodline or something of that fashion.


Or is it possible we can make it as part of another months event. Have it be part of a bigger months events where a Lioness with the traits of all the extinct lionesses be mixed together in a pool similar to Wenet and her cousins. We could get an extinct base, markings, eyes, etc but also some of the slightly more common specials. By mixing them into more unique lions then the original raffle lioness doesn't loose its value but can also be bred using the cubs and recreated by breeding. Also by having everyone have the chance to get one of these it makes it slightly more fair to everyone. it would basically be a random breed only lioness with markings in slots etc that we cant get otherwise.


The last thought i had in any of this is would it be possible to get an item that moves a marking from one slot to another. say you have Vitaligo 1 in slot 7. You could switch it with any slot that has an existing marking. like if you had Black leg binding in slot 1 you could move it there. but not slot 2 which would be empty. it would enable us to recreat some of the extinct RLs. and by making is say 5gbs its not like someone would use it ALL the time just when needed.

Anyway i think that's all my ideas on this. thanks



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Amkano*G2
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Posted on
2024-08-09 12:56:40
I think these could be fantastic updates. I’ve seen some people get upset that some timezones may have more of an advantage over others. Maybe if the RLs were dropped at set times in explore with prior notice it may help some feel not so left out, so they can plan ahead. Maybe on a rotating basis..first week at 12p, second week at 6p, third week at midnight?



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Saff - Kimanjano (#137237)

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Posted on
2024-08-09 16:40:10
Those “rich” players that collect special lionesses that people complain about, imo they won’t even need to waste GB in explore. Right now if you’re fortunate enough to win a raffle lioness you have the option to put her up for sale and get a large amount of gold beetles for her.

If this option 1 comes to fruition, these “rich players” instead of paying a large amount for one special lioness, will instead buy multiple lionesses for that same amount because the value will go down markedly.

I have no interest in raffle lionesses generally (I’m only interested in what might look good on my king) , if I want a mark I will wait for it to become available and then try and breed it on but I would hate to see this happen. Theres so much interest in breed only now and I think it’s great to see players get excited about making projects around recreating extinct special lionesses. I really hope that is not ruined for them either.



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Scarecrow (#477331)

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Posted on
2024-08-09 17:07:35
I didn't explain this well earlier in the thread but before it closes I want to say that 1 is objectively the most unfair way to implement changes to the RL system no matter how it's done and admins really need to consider that it'll be impossible to realistically balance the system so no one is excluded. I'll put the rant under a spoiler so it doesn't take up an entire screen for those who are uninterested but will give a TLDR at the end.


TLDR: To make clones even remotely fair, admins would have to create a schedule that equally distributes chased RL to timezones by staggering clones based on various factors(first>last clone, the overall value of the RL, etc.) and it would overall be a nightmare system both on the user side and on the dev side.

There are much better ways to spread RL traits so they're no longer heavily exclusive, ensure the lionesses go to active accounts, and keep the RL system as fair as possible while trying to minimize the market crash.



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Posted on
2024-08-09 17:32:12
whatever happens i just hope that the mods have actually been reading our suggestions and scale whichever option ends up being picked and mixed/matched so that it’s properly balanced and doesn’t make the problem worse on the opposite scale of things

i’m so wildly stressed for the news to drop idk if this is the week of the poll



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Procella_Avali_Alt (#484155)

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Posted on
2024-08-09 19:21:53
My thoughts
1: while I like the idea of chased raffles, my biggest fear is that the game might become slightly pay to win due to people buying energy boosts to try and claim the raffle lioness.

2 and 3: I personally like this concept, However the 365 rollover period seems a little long. My other fear is that markings would become much more common, decreasing the value. I think it would be wise to redo tiers slightly and have some markings available on both raffle lionesses and studs and some only available on lionesses.

4: maybe, once again, concerned about market oversaturation and decreasing value, but I feel this would be great during events like July.

5: big yes.

6: maybe, many players have outside lives so this might not work out, but I like the idea.

7: once again 365 seems like a lot, I personally would prefer it to be based on progression in game. Possibly being unlocked after getting a certain number of achievements or crowning a second or third king.



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Mookieluvr (#219717)

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2024-08-09 19:29:45
To Procella on #7, I actually think that a years total Rollover time for a RL alongside the normal one that's a year + would actually be a way better push to keep to active members (If you've rolled a total of 365 days, you've either been playing on and off for ages or are really constant and active. Tying it to achievements or kings just seems like an even more "Rush to get achievements" and "Rush to spend gb to change your king once or twice." I think having the secondary RL tied to a years total playtime and the normal RL being put to maybe only like 30 days or there about would be a good solution.

Give long-time players a reward and make sure that very new players don't get in over their heads.

Sorry for scrambled wording, I just wanted to get this out and not mull over a response for 5 hours.



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