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-LOCKED - Discussion: Raffle Lionesses | |
Posted on 2024-08-05 08:57:00
We are aware of some issues that the community has been voicing with the raffle lioness system, with some complaints including it being difficult to pass on raffle-exclusive traits, raffle lionesses going to inactive accounts, and so on. We have had our own discussion among the developers and would now like to present a discussion where the community can provide feedback on the ideas we have outlined below regarding how the system can be modified, and possibly even give their own ideas if they aren't already covered. We will be closely monitoring this topic to record feedback, which we will then use for an upcoming site poll.
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spice 🪔 | sugar’s side (#190212) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 07:55:43 |
usually the chased nrlcs or rlcs are of rl lines that are already fairly plentiful and have already been around for a while (like a year or two. say, the citrine rl or the ebony rl that keep getting rlcs chased? i keep getting the ebony rl and i picked up a nrlc of the first rime rl (2021) recently. point is, the ones that are getting chased are neither new nor rare by any means) 4 players like this post! Like? Edited on 08/08/24 @ 07:56:36 by spice 🪔 | sugar’s side (#190212) |
Mad Hyena (#29080)
Necromancer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 08:07:04 |
Hmm, how about this then; maybe to release new traits faster, make them a limited availability Explore traits, rather than releasing clones or near clones of the raffle NCL? Ill explain; For the first week new trait is released, it is up on Raffle Lioness AND also added as NCL Exclusive Mark (base, eyes, mane color, whatever it is being released), for the duration of 1 week since the new trait is being released. You would need to have a Dreamboat king to find them, like other exclusive traits. It will be found with same rarity as NCL exclusive traits (or maybe a bit rarer, in case of bases?), but with a catch - each user would only be able to catch ONE of the New Trait NCL per week. Once caught, the option is disabled for the account to find this exact trait in explore again, until the new trait is released and another 1 New Trait NCL can be caught. Next week a new trait is enabled, and old trait is removed from NCL exclusive tier back to Breed Only tier, and is only able to be bred down from lions that have it for the rest of the following time. The original exclusive NCLs will be the "first gen" origins of that trait, but further on, it would only be able to be bred down, same as raffle NCLs. Perhaps have them have a different name, so the user can right away tell they're special? Special Claimed Lioness sounds fitting. I think this could have the following positive traits: 1) Leave Raffle Lionesses alone; let them be just pretty lionesses being raffled for FUN, not for releasing new traits. 2) Make hunting NCLs more fun and rewarding, while also keeping it fair for people; 1 week is enough duration to find new trait for both active and busy users, and it wont be "pay-to-win" because it will be limited to 1 lion per person. 3) Add extra value to NCLs that could be sold well for the new rare trait they have. Newbies not wanting their special catches can make money selling them. It will also encourage trading for the exchange of slots AND breeding projects for breeding new traits in with other traits. Short-heritage lions with new trait and other special traits bred in, will be high in demand and sell decently. 4) It will right away generate a decent breeding stock of the new trait, while also keeping it breed-only - as the NCLs would be the only way to breed it down. 5) Retiring the trait from explore in 1 week and keeping it limited to 1 per person I think will eliminate the risk of the trait becoming "too common". Just my ramblings on how to possibly make it a "good for everyone" solution. What do you guys think? "Spreading new traits" anyway implies them getting cheaper faster, but I think breeding those basic, plain "gen one" trait bearers to more BO heavy lions will produce cubs about as wanted/similarily priced with the current market for new traits. Potatos anyway quickly become cheap, even now, with very slow release. 12 players like this post! Like? Edited on 08/08/24 @ 12:31:40 by Mad Hyena (#29080) |
Tallow [G1 Blonde Fiss 2.4k] (#440905) Scourge of Lions View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 08:16:32 |
Again, there is not a way to improve the RL mechanic without diminishing the RL's exclusivity. More fun for everyone means a lower entry bar, which means the users who benefited previously from the higher bar's exclusivity will not have "as much" fun. But that is simple fairness. (Also: the chased RLs don't all have to come out of the gate at once, nor all ten, nor even ten! But that's really beside the point: any drop in exclusivity is both essential and essentially positive to the solution.) 1 player likes this post! Like? |
Undead Jellyfish🪼☆Semi -hiatus (#244875) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 08:22:09 |
And once again, it is possibly to update their mechanics without rendering RLC's worthless. Making multiple RL's or a Raffle stud is the only sustainable way to keep thecurrent economies afloat. 7 players like this post! Like? |
Terrinthia [G1, semi-frozen] (#97101) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 08:44:29 |
Mad Hyena - what do you mean by 1 lion per person? Like once you find an NCL with any of the RL traits you can't find any more for that week? 0 players like this post! Like? |
Tallow [G1 Blonde Fiss 2.4k] (#440905) Scourge of Lions View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 08:44:51 |
Yeah, I totally agree with you that they won't become worthless...with any of these options implemented. The second part, no to that absolutism. I'm tapping out until we hear more since this is becoming something of a tail-chasing competition, lol. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Mad Hyena (#29080)
Necromancer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 08:51:30 |
Terrinthia - yes, so each person can only catch one for the week - once week changes, you can catch a new trait, again 1 lioness with it. So if Week 1 is say Onyx Margay, you can only catch 1 Onyx Margay exclusive lioness. Once Week 2 comes and its Noctis Margay, you can only catch 1 Noctis Margay, etc. Otherwise it would be kind of overabused with people catching hundreds of them. 4 players like this post! Like? Edited on 08/08/24 @ 08:54:20 by Mad Hyena (#29080) |
Terrinthia [G1, semi-frozen] (#97101) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 09:12:28 |
Hmm, I think I'd prefer if they were just very rare but not hard capped at 1 per person. Only having a chance at one per week doesn't make exploring and claiming quite as nice for the rest of the week if you were to find your special NCL within the first day or two. Also, some RLs don't come out with any fully new traits, and some even have more than one new slot marking or some other kind of rare thing, so how would the claimable NCL new trait be determined? Unless I'm misunderstanding. Would there just be one predetermined trait going around or any of the RL's markings in their specific spots can spawn? September, April, and February have them claimable for the rest of the event after the tier is unlocked, which makes the new NCL variety more interesting. They'd have to be rarer than that so that they don't flood the market, of course. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Mad Hyena (#29080)
Necromancer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 09:28:51 |
I think, if there's more than 1 new trait, they can be spread across the following weeks; so 1st mark in Week 1, 2nd mark in Week 2, etc. I suggest 1 new trait per week, for ease of it If there's nothing new I guess the week can have none/admin chosen trait to be released? For example a marking that has only very few lions with it etc. And Im not sure about rarity - without the 1 per person limit and general availability aside of it, they might turn into what many people comment against, a pay-to-win. Users with many energy items can find a lot more than general players going off only energy they get via gameplay. That was one of the main argument against the chased clones and near clones, I think people wont enjoy this element with just exclusive NCLs either. I think its still best with 1 per account limit, AND you can always trade for more, encouraging more trading will be good for market! Event NCLs are available with no limits but, what does that leave them? Worth 50-100 SB by the end of event, even if at the beginning they costed a couple GBs for a pretty one. Unlimited supply leads to prices collapsing, even with higher rarity. However check out the Wenet cousins, limited to 1 per person and there's a pretty active trade going on for them, and prices for them stay above the general NCL prices! But the limits are essentially up to admins, I guess 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 08/08/24 @ 10:16:01 by Mad Hyena (#29080) |
ꕥ Rosa Canina ꕥ (#209549)
Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 11:21:49 |
1: Regarding this idea, two important points to be highlighted: - Regarding the monetary and sentimental value (which we all know exists), it would not be the best idea to spread clones throughout the explore. Even though the Raffle Lioness is a "trophy" and its winner would not need to make it public, theoretically; - So, if you consider the idea of the explore, I believe that the best possibility would perhaps be to randomly create near clones that have varied traits of the Raffle Lioness and these lionesses be placed in the explore; It won't be the full Raffle Lioness, so it doesn't disappoint some players, and it makes it easier for those who want certain traits without them being exclusive to certain groups. market price: we all know how the Lioden market works and that at this point it is a risky market since it does not have a central control, so prices, demand, everything is controlled by the players without them even knowing about it. So, about this, the excuse that it would affect the market is just another band-aid on top of a deep cut, since sooner or later this will happen with all lines, it happened with the old ones and it will happen with the ones that come unless you want to keep the line private, which I sincerely do not agree with, although I have already thought about it and seen that it was just my selfishness. 2&3: I believe that in these options the best one is the second one, since this way you can get the Raffle Lioness traits and if you want to try your luck, even a clone or a very close near (if you are someone lucky, which I already know I am not XD) Just an addendum that in this option the ideal would be a single stud request so that it is equal and without it becoming pay2win 4: if implemented could easily replace the first, if they were 3 identical clones; now if they were different raffle lionesses with shared traits but with different appearances, I would love it 5: the idea is great, there's nothing to say about it 6&7: about these two ideas interesting points of view from different comments it is interesting to encourage and benefit more active players in some way. 6: if it is implemented I believe it is important to review the feedback from players in total, not just a small portion, and conclude a value that pleases the majority (since it is impossible to please everyone at the same time), for example dividing the value of 150-200sb between the days instead of being 50sb per day. It is something complicated and that should be evaluated calmly and cautiously and thus avoid future headaches, ask questions to find out what your players want, do useful polls and then we will reach a consensus on it. 7: honestly I don't think it is bad, since it is 365 TOTAL days and not consecutive, so it is indeed a good idea that would bring a benefit to those who are active in the game 3 players like this post! Like? |
Tux | G1 Nomad 1k stats (#309670) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 12:18:12 |
Whatever you end up doing, please rerelease Cherimoya eyes! They already went to an inactive account. 4 players like this post! Like? |
Scarecrow (#477331)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 12:45:34 |
NCLs with RL markings can work one of two ways IMO. 1. They have a higher rate of finding one, but a limit to one. 2. They're a very rare encounter for dreamboat kings, but have no limit to claiming. Option 2 would make a market that includes users that aren't rich, LOTS of users made decent money when Mulberries were in extremely high demand even if the supply was very decent. Being realistic, not all RLs are going to have extremely desirable markings, but there will be some weeks in which people go nuts for those gals. I would still like raffle studs, but honestly, I am worried that they'll simply become "a way to fix RLs" and will feel like less of a reward or genuine feature. 3 players like this post! Like? |
Mad Hyena (#29080)
Necromancer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 12:55:06 |
I like the raffle studs idea, but they're still a "raffle in a raffle" kind of thing. 20-50 slots weekly sounds like a lot, but its reaaally very little - on Wolvden, Ive only ever won one slot from a stud. And when I used that... all pups ended up potatos not inheriting any of the traits I wanted. SO even if raffle studs are introduced, how well they will help spreading the traits is uncertain. It wont help spreading a mark if only like one of the studdings has it pass! 6 players like this post! Like? |
Possum2 - Clean Asali Smilus (#53382) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 13:06:54 |
The only option I actively dislike is option 4, everything else I quite like and would really love to see the in-general raffle studs, though increase their numbers to be at maximum 100, with there being nearly 4 thousand (maybe even more by now) players having only 20-50 slots makes it almost seem not worth it to enter the raffle at all. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
CC - G1 12 BO Mandarin + MS (#448877) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 13:21:42 |
Imo with the raffle studs option it should operate more like the maneaters if the RS are not copies of the RL. Paying a ton to stud to get traits is very different than paying a ton to get a RL in explore. 2 players like this post! Like? |