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| Posted by | [++] Sub Male Options: Breeding, roles/tasks + |
 Zombeh || Clean King (#13715) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts  Posted on 2013-07-10 05:47:25 |
With the addition of sub males a lot of neat things have come into Lioden. We can have heirs now and sub male patroling is always fun. But other then that what's the real purpose of a sub male lion on this game? Are there any other perks aside from having them look fancy on your den? No. But what if we give them more of a purpose. ::Breeding & Retiring:: Lets say you have a pretty lioness that doesn't mix well with your main lion, but looks nice with your sub male. However there is no option currently to breed the two. You could go through the hassle of creating a side account and sending your sub male there, but what if you already have a side account with a custom male lion? And creating more accounts is against the rules, so you're stuck. Now back to my point, whats the purpose of a sub male lion currently? You spend time training up their stats and going on patrols, but what about when they age? Sure you can replace your main male lion when he retired, but wait.. hold up. When your lion dies you have the option to (retire them beforehand), reroll a new male lion, replace them with a heir or keep their appearance on the heir. So lets say your male lion that just died is a custom. You don't want to waste that money and/or time you spent creating him. You like the way he looks and you don't want to loose him. But.... you also like the way your sub male looks. Now you're stuck. What if your sub male is just as handsome has your main male or hey maybe he's a custom lion too! Before he dies you have no way at all to continue on his legacy and not only that but, wasted your hard earned time, SB or even GB when he dies. Now I have two ideas that could fix this: -You can give sub males the ability to breed within the pride. To avoid the already problem of too many cubs, we can have that be the only option. There wont be a stud fee, that's what you main lion is for. They can only breed to lioness within your pride. -There could also be an option to simply swap between your sub male(s) and main male at will. To avoid any issues with overpopulation or inflated cub prices, there could be a limit to how many times it can be done weekly (or even monthly). Heck maybe there's a cooldown for once you swap? This could also solve the issues of people creating multiple accounts for male lions. With this option their would be no need and you'd cut back on some rulebreakers too. Now before I close this part up, I'd also like to mention something. Lion prides in the wild can have multiple, adult male lions in them. If males team up to take out another lion and overtake his pride (which usually is the case). They don't have a set dominant male within their collation. It's first come first served. Any of the males can breed within the pride. New ideas & concepts- -Maybe even a breeding cool-down for sub males where you could only breed them every few weeks, much like lionesses. -Airika (#1552) -Another option when retiring your male lion, to keep the appearance on a new male. Not everyone wants to loose their main males appearance when he dies, but sometimes they already enjoy the way their sub males look. - Zombeh (#13715) -Or maybe save the appearance of your past lions and, when each retires, get the option to keep/re-roll/choose from all your past lions. That way, if you ever get an awesome submale, but his looks are nasty, you can have multiple options for appearances. Kimakishi [Kyo] {Loyalty} (CK) (#13351) Some suggestions: 5 more cooling days for females Limited to 5 a week Ou can switch in between sub males BUT your 5 studding limit does not change. It will still be the same witch ever male you breed to. Chunky (#10861) Going off giving the submales breeding capabilities within your pride only, why not make all submale breedings result in only one cub? Valravn (#22295) what about the suggestion of having several looks to choose from ONLY when your submale takes over the pride? Maybe make it cost like 1 GB or a high SB amount to store up to 5 designs. Then if you don't want to lose your oasis custom design, you just can only have one on your male, but you still have access to the other one? CharleyHorse (#7731) Also instead of just swapping out sub-males, why not have the ability to have the sub-male challenge the current king? And if say, his stats and level are high enough or if he's lucky enough he can chase out the current king. There could be a penalty, meaning the king would be chased out entirely or just swap rankings with the past sub-male, the sub-male becoming king, or even a 50/50 chance! Unkoneo (#45634) What if the main male had a chance to kill the cubs when they were born? Like you could get a message saying that you main male saw you breeding with the your sub and now He is going to kill the offspring to show that he is dominant male in the pride. And this could possibly carry a longer cool down because the main male is *watching* this sub more closely? Or if he didn't "notice" then the cubs would be raised as his own? Still carries a cool down Hayley (#53270) ------------------------------------------------ ::Roles:: This suggestion of mine is fairly old and I've only recently gotten back into Lioden. And I'm honestly surprised sub males still don't have that big of a role in prides. They sit there, look fancy and eat my food. Sure they can patrol, but that's it? It's a huge let down honestly and I feel there are so many great potential things you can add. Some ideas; -Males could have a option of taking a adolescent with them on a patrol. The adolescent may pick up some stats or experience from watching and learning from the sub male(s). Or maybe they lack of experience from the adolescents will mess up the patrol! Lots of options for funny notifications and text. "Adolescent Name tripped during the patrol; causing a commotion and scaring away any potential meals. Darn!" -A option could be for them to 'guard' cubs that you can choose. This would be especially neat if you tie in some sort of random event features. Maybe the cubs could pick up on a few things from these elder males watching them. "Cub name had a fun time pouncing on Sub Male's tail; it never hurts to practice after all. +Random stat" "After a game of hide and seek in the tall grass with Sub Male; Cub Name seemed to pick up a few lessons. +Random stat" "It appears Cub Name found something while out romping with Sub Male. +random toy item" -It'd be neat if Sub Males could maybe choose adolescents to mentor as well. There'd be a option for you to assign certain adols (with a limit) to be a apprentice of sorts to the sub male(s). Where they could train every so often or maybe spar to get random,small stat gains; maybe even items? "After a hard day of training; Adolescent Name gained a few skills! +Random stats" "Sub Male had a lot of trouble keeping Adolescent Name focused. They didn't learn anything today.." |
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⚜️ Moonflower 🏵 (#103762) Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2021-08-14 10:03:57 |
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Solis 🥛 (#244785)
Maneater View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-03-24 07:40:24 |
This post may be crazy old but its still a really good idea, its frustrating as all hell to have 2 lions you want to breed but you can't. Currently, submales are practically useless besides patrolling, and even that's not very useful- sure, you can have your heir as a submale, but it takes a couple of months (or GB) for your current king to be ready to retire, and besides that- you may want to have a lion sire cubs but have a different idea for what your heir should be. Yes, it wouldn't be realistic, but I'd say lion gods and lions with wings ect ect isn't realistic either, it'd make the game more fun overall with how many possibilities there'd be.  0 players like this post! Like? |
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Magnituda|G2 Torn Orchid,14BO (#200075) View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-03-25 02:01:59 |
It will never be implemented. It's under "rejected automatically" sugestions ;) 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Stringworm, Roach the Gary <3 (#233091) 
Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-04-21 07:44:54 |
I know that this post is really old, but i'd absolutely love this feature. Currently, i have a very gorgeous submale that i love very much. The problem? He doesn't do anything. Literally nothing. He just sits there, looks pretty, and wastes my resources. I'd love to breed him, as he has some markings i really like that he inherited from my king. But for now i have nothing to do with him so he just sits around uselessly and costs me money. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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WaggishGal (#97535)
Amiable View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-05-26 09:08:20 |
It really is a pity that this post has been buried and or rejected. I think there are a Lot of people who would like to breed off their sub or at least find more for them to do. Not entirely sure why they don't do more than they do now. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Stringworm, Roach the Gary <3 (#233091)
Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-05-26 11:02:15 |
@Waggish I entirely agree, there is nothing for them to do, so it seems kind of redundant to even have the "Submale" role at all. Giving them their own title and seperating them from the general pride makes it seem that they are useful, but they really aren't. It would be nice if submales were useful, and i'm sure it would help the male cub market (and all the male cubs that get chased off) 0 players like this post! Like? |
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WaggishGal (#97535)
Amiable View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-05-26 11:16:36 |
It ABSOLUTELY would help the male cub market crash. Yes there are sex changer but they are expensive so more likely they will be killed or abandoned 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Stringworm, Roach the Gary <3 (#233091)
Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-05-26 11:20:53 |
The male cub market sucks, i kill most of my male cubs because its honestly not worth the hassle to try and sell them. It would be nice to be able to do something with 1/4 of the cubs born to my pride I imagine it would also do wonders to breeding projects to have a second lion to breed with, and lore would be awesome for them! 0 players like this post! Like? |
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WaggishGal (#97535)
Amiable View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-05-26 11:27:06 |
Agreed!! It would mean I could build the king I want to build and along side breed out my subs to people who are working on a different esthetic. Continue to make it difficult to keeps subs Give us a cap on how many skits we can have I can be down for that But just let us give them a purpose. Cuz even when you have a great male to sell; more likely people don't buy their kings like that. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Stringworm, Roach the Gary <3 (#233091)
Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-05-26 11:31:23 |
I've only ever bought 1 male in my entire life, and he's my current king. My side king was a Groupie, and my king before that was a mutated male the owner couldn't get rid of. Not only are males currently useless, they make negative money! I don't care if i can only breed my submale once a week, it will be worth it to just give them that one ounce of usefulness rather than being a worthless money sink 0 players like this post! Like? |
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WaggishGal (#97535)
Amiable View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-05-26 11:50:17 |
100% It's all just a pity. Here's hoping the developers decide to have some fun with them soon. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Zambz (#2687)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-05-26 12:04:32 |
Being fair sub males aren't useless really. Their whole purpose really was just so you can have a lion around to take over because before then it was hell and a half to make sure you had a male to take over when yours died. It wasn't suppose to include anything like allowing them to breed but not being able to breed doesn't mean their purpose is useless IMO. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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WaggishGal (#97535)
Amiable View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-05-26 12:09:46 |
Fair And they do that job well But it just feels like they are being under used by this point. We have an issue of demand vs supply. This good even that out a bit 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Stringworm, Roach the Gary <3 (#233091)
Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-05-26 12:10:00 |
How often do people actually keep submales? Once you've kinged them thats it, no more need for a submale. Patrolling them isn't worth the time because you can send hunters out for more food in half the time it takes to patrol, and that still doesn't adress how useless all the male cubs are because no one wants one I run a mutie give away thread that takes donations, and 90% of the muties i get are males that no one can get rid of. It usually takes a day or two to find someone with either a sex changer or who wants them as a status symbol to take them in (not that there is anything wrong with that at all) (edit, just realized the first sentance sounded kind of mean, i meant that as a genuine question because i don't know anyone who really does that ^^: ) 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 26/05/22 @ 12:10:58 by stringworms (rins sugar baby) (#233091) |
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WaggishGal (#97535)
Amiable View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-05-26 18:59:30 |
I have 3 slots currently I have a couple of pretty males And I do use them for patroling just cuz it helps me stay on top of food supply But I think having such pretty boys makes me wish I could Stud them Pretty soon I'll be deciding which of them is my next king though 0 players like this post! Like? |
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