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 Zombeh || Clean King (#13715) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts  Posted on 2013-07-10 05:47:25 |
With the addition of sub males a lot of neat things have come into Lioden. We can have heirs now and sub male patroling is always fun. But other then that what's the real purpose of a sub male lion on this game? Are there any other perks aside from having them look fancy on your den? No. But what if we give them more of a purpose. ::Breeding & Retiring:: Lets say you have a pretty lioness that doesn't mix well with your main lion, but looks nice with your sub male. However there is no option currently to breed the two. You could go through the hassle of creating a side account and sending your sub male there, but what if you already have a side account with a custom male lion? And creating more accounts is against the rules, so you're stuck. Now back to my point, whats the purpose of a sub male lion currently? You spend time training up their stats and going on patrols, but what about when they age? Sure you can replace your main male lion when he retired, but wait.. hold up. When your lion dies you have the option to (retire them beforehand), reroll a new male lion, replace them with a heir or keep their appearance on the heir. So lets say your male lion that just died is a custom. You don't want to waste that money and/or time you spent creating him. You like the way he looks and you don't want to loose him. But.... you also like the way your sub male looks. Now you're stuck. What if your sub male is just as handsome has your main male or hey maybe he's a custom lion too! Before he dies you have no way at all to continue on his legacy and not only that but, wasted your hard earned time, SB or even GB when he dies. Now I have two ideas that could fix this: -You can give sub males the ability to breed within the pride. To avoid the already problem of too many cubs, we can have that be the only option. There wont be a stud fee, that's what you main lion is for. They can only breed to lioness within your pride. -There could also be an option to simply swap between your sub male(s) and main male at will. To avoid any issues with overpopulation or inflated cub prices, there could be a limit to how many times it can be done weekly (or even monthly). Heck maybe there's a cooldown for once you swap? This could also solve the issues of people creating multiple accounts for male lions. With this option their would be no need and you'd cut back on some rulebreakers too. Now before I close this part up, I'd also like to mention something. Lion prides in the wild can have multiple, adult male lions in them. If males team up to take out another lion and overtake his pride (which usually is the case). They don't have a set dominant male within their collation. It's first come first served. Any of the males can breed within the pride. New ideas & concepts- -Maybe even a breeding cool-down for sub males where you could only breed them every few weeks, much like lionesses. -Airika (#1552) -Another option when retiring your male lion, to keep the appearance on a new male. Not everyone wants to loose their main males appearance when he dies, but sometimes they already enjoy the way their sub males look. - Zombeh (#13715) -Or maybe save the appearance of your past lions and, when each retires, get the option to keep/re-roll/choose from all your past lions. That way, if you ever get an awesome submale, but his looks are nasty, you can have multiple options for appearances. Kimakishi [Kyo] {Loyalty} (CK) (#13351) Some suggestions: 5 more cooling days for females Limited to 5 a week Ou can switch in between sub males BUT your 5 studding limit does not change. It will still be the same witch ever male you breed to. Chunky (#10861) Going off giving the submales breeding capabilities within your pride only, why not make all submale breedings result in only one cub? Valravn (#22295) what about the suggestion of having several looks to choose from ONLY when your submale takes over the pride? Maybe make it cost like 1 GB or a high SB amount to store up to 5 designs. Then if you don't want to lose your oasis custom design, you just can only have one on your male, but you still have access to the other one? CharleyHorse (#7731) Also instead of just swapping out sub-males, why not have the ability to have the sub-male challenge the current king? And if say, his stats and level are high enough or if he's lucky enough he can chase out the current king. There could be a penalty, meaning the king would be chased out entirely or just swap rankings with the past sub-male, the sub-male becoming king, or even a 50/50 chance! Unkoneo (#45634) What if the main male had a chance to kill the cubs when they were born? Like you could get a message saying that you main male saw you breeding with the your sub and now He is going to kill the offspring to show that he is dominant male in the pride. And this could possibly carry a longer cool down because the main male is *watching* this sub more closely? Or if he didn't "notice" then the cubs would be raised as his own? Still carries a cool down Hayley (#53270) ------------------------------------------------ ::Roles:: This suggestion of mine is fairly old and I've only recently gotten back into Lioden. And I'm honestly surprised sub males still don't have that big of a role in prides. They sit there, look fancy and eat my food. Sure they can patrol, but that's it? It's a huge let down honestly and I feel there are so many great potential things you can add. Some ideas; -Males could have a option of taking a adolescent with them on a patrol. The adolescent may pick up some stats or experience from watching and learning from the sub male(s). Or maybe they lack of experience from the adolescents will mess up the patrol! Lots of options for funny notifications and text. "Adolescent Name tripped during the patrol; causing a commotion and scaring away any potential meals. Darn!" -A option could be for them to 'guard' cubs that you can choose. This would be especially neat if you tie in some sort of random event features. Maybe the cubs could pick up on a few things from these elder males watching them. "Cub name had a fun time pouncing on Sub Male's tail; it never hurts to practice after all. +Random stat" "After a game of hide and seek in the tall grass with Sub Male; Cub Name seemed to pick up a few lessons. +Random stat" "It appears Cub Name found something while out romping with Sub Male. +random toy item" -It'd be neat if Sub Males could maybe choose adolescents to mentor as well. There'd be a option for you to assign certain adols (with a limit) to be a apprentice of sorts to the sub male(s). Where they could train every so often or maybe spar to get random,small stat gains; maybe even items? "After a hard day of training; Adolescent Name gained a few skills! +Random stats" "Sub Male had a lot of trouble keeping Adolescent Name focused. They didn't learn anything today.." |
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Ink (#45634)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-10-11 16:55:22 |
Also instead of just swapping out sub-males, why not have the ability to have the sub-male challenge the current king? And if say, his stats and level are high enough or if he's lucky enough he can chase out the current king. There could be a penalty, meaning the king would be chased out entirely or just swap rankings with the past sub-male, the sub-male becoming king, or even a 50/50 chance!  0 players like this post! Like? |
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Kar (#25720)
Magnificent View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-02-17 03:55:20 |
I vote yes to this, I love my Lion, but he's plain, and my subs have better marking variety. Breeding them to my lionesses would be great. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Kar (#25720)
Magnificent View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-02-17 14:56:46 |
I vote yes to this, I love my Lion, but he's plain, and my subs have better marking variety. Breeding them to my lionesses would be great. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Zombeh || Clean King (#13715)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-06-03 03:38:01 |
I don't want to 'necro' a old thread, but it only went inactive I feel as I myself stopped playing for a good while. I also added on some more ideas and suggestions.. and fixed a few mistakes and typos from my past self. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 03/06/15 by Zombeh ::Bring on the floods:: (#13715) |
Harrisheart (#3768)
Brave View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-06-03 07:31:43 |
I like the idea of being able to breed subs, but not of being able to breed them very much/often. Maybe a limit to how often they can breed or, more with the games mechanics, an item? An event item that would grant a sub male one breeding with a lioness would be rad. Or perhaps an item that lets a female pick ANY male from your pride. Either way XD. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Zombeh || Clean King (#13715)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-06-03 07:37:07 |
Yeah having a limit for the amount they can breed was a added suggestion from someone. Also I like the idea of maybe having it as a item~ And that last option would be a pretty amusing outcome. xD 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Timo (#53555)
Amazing View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-06-03 13:56:58 |
People have been suggesting that Subs should breed for a long time now. Each time the staff's shot it down because that's not what they're made for. I made my own thread about this a few months back and the Staff told me that the Subs were not made for breeding. It'd be nice, but it won't happen. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Zombeh || Clean King (#13715)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-06-03 14:07:56 |
Hrmm, link? x: 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 03/06/15 by Zombeh ::Bring on the floods:: (#13715) |
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Zia (#60468)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-06-03 14:12:03 |
support. and logically this makes sense for how lions would work in the wild. in the wild a lion wouldn't say "hey you'd make a good heir, how about you take over in 10 years when I retire? and in the meantime just sit there and look for stuff." He'd say "hey you have that fire-colored fur, how about you breed with some of my females to get cubs with fire-colored fur, because that will help my pride survive out here. that colored fur will make enemies think that there's a fire and help chase them off, and for lionesses born with it will make prey think that there's a fire and make them run right into the paws of other waiting lionesses." Or "hey you have high stats, that will benefit my pride." The point being that a male would pick a sub-male that could benefit the pride in some way. I think it should be a limited thing though, like a sub can breed with a lioness once a month. Edit: I realized this might've sounded a bit sarcastic, I really wasn't meaning to be sarcastic. it was also a dual explanation for why the various orange colored coats make sense (at least to me) 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 03/06/15 by Rebecca (#60468) |
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venna (#15577)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-06-03 14:13:59 |
Staff has said repeatedly that submales will never be breed able, so no support. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Zombeh || Clean King (#13715)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-06-03 14:18:46 |
@Venna - Link me to said posts, threads and updates please? I've been browsing back on the forums for suggestions and have yet to see any actual staff replies in sub male breeding topics. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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venna (#15577)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-06-03 14:22:49 |
That's because a majority of those threads have been locked/deleted. There have been so many threads involving submale breeding x.x 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Zombeh || Clean King (#13715)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-06-03 14:26:48 |
Hrm, yeah there have been. I'm about a year and a half in the past on the suggestion threads. There's atleast a thrad for it every 10 - 20 pages or so. A lot of them are replied to by members though shooting them down without any staff replies though. Shame though ono Mines lasted awhile surprisingly; even before I added my other suggestions for subs and they never deleted or locked it. x: Even after I went away for a year and a half. So perhaps there's hope anyways all the same. (Until a actual admin replies with a firm no that is.) 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Kat (#24520)
Vicious View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-06-04 01:25:23 |
If we ask enough they'll eventually give in, right? Lioden is a service that relies on us liking them to keep going. So, theoretically they'll eventually give in if we ask enough. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Zombeh || Clean King (#13715)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2015-06-04 01:35:34 |
I think that's what happened with studding honestly. xD But- I dunno if I want to have that sort of attitude or not o3o 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 04/06/15 by Zombeh ::Bring on the floods:: (#13715) |
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