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 Zombeh || Clean King (#13715) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts  Posted on 2013-07-10 05:47:25 |
With the addition of sub males a lot of neat things have come into Lioden. We can have heirs now and sub male patroling is always fun. But other then that what's the real purpose of a sub male lion on this game? Are there any other perks aside from having them look fancy on your den? No. But what if we give them more of a purpose. ::Breeding & Retiring:: Lets say you have a pretty lioness that doesn't mix well with your main lion, but looks nice with your sub male. However there is no option currently to breed the two. You could go through the hassle of creating a side account and sending your sub male there, but what if you already have a side account with a custom male lion? And creating more accounts is against the rules, so you're stuck. Now back to my point, whats the purpose of a sub male lion currently? You spend time training up their stats and going on patrols, but what about when they age? Sure you can replace your main male lion when he retired, but wait.. hold up. When your lion dies you have the option to (retire them beforehand), reroll a new male lion, replace them with a heir or keep their appearance on the heir. So lets say your male lion that just died is a custom. You don't want to waste that money and/or time you spent creating him. You like the way he looks and you don't want to loose him. But.... you also like the way your sub male looks. Now you're stuck. What if your sub male is just as handsome has your main male or hey maybe he's a custom lion too! Before he dies you have no way at all to continue on his legacy and not only that but, wasted your hard earned time, SB or even GB when he dies. Now I have two ideas that could fix this: -You can give sub males the ability to breed within the pride. To avoid the already problem of too many cubs, we can have that be the only option. There wont be a stud fee, that's what you main lion is for. They can only breed to lioness within your pride. -There could also be an option to simply swap between your sub male(s) and main male at will. To avoid any issues with overpopulation or inflated cub prices, there could be a limit to how many times it can be done weekly (or even monthly). Heck maybe there's a cooldown for once you swap? This could also solve the issues of people creating multiple accounts for male lions. With this option their would be no need and you'd cut back on some rulebreakers too. Now before I close this part up, I'd also like to mention something. Lion prides in the wild can have multiple, adult male lions in them. If males team up to take out another lion and overtake his pride (which usually is the case). They don't have a set dominant male within their collation. It's first come first served. Any of the males can breed within the pride. New ideas & concepts- -Maybe even a breeding cool-down for sub males where you could only breed them every few weeks, much like lionesses. -Airika (#1552) -Another option when retiring your male lion, to keep the appearance on a new male. Not everyone wants to loose their main males appearance when he dies, but sometimes they already enjoy the way their sub males look. - Zombeh (#13715) -Or maybe save the appearance of your past lions and, when each retires, get the option to keep/re-roll/choose from all your past lions. That way, if you ever get an awesome submale, but his looks are nasty, you can have multiple options for appearances. Kimakishi [Kyo] {Loyalty} (CK) (#13351) Some suggestions: 5 more cooling days for females Limited to 5 a week Ou can switch in between sub males BUT your 5 studding limit does not change. It will still be the same witch ever male you breed to. Chunky (#10861) Going off giving the submales breeding capabilities within your pride only, why not make all submale breedings result in only one cub? Valravn (#22295) what about the suggestion of having several looks to choose from ONLY when your submale takes over the pride? Maybe make it cost like 1 GB or a high SB amount to store up to 5 designs. Then if you don't want to lose your oasis custom design, you just can only have one on your male, but you still have access to the other one? CharleyHorse (#7731) Also instead of just swapping out sub-males, why not have the ability to have the sub-male challenge the current king? And if say, his stats and level are high enough or if he's lucky enough he can chase out the current king. There could be a penalty, meaning the king would be chased out entirely or just swap rankings with the past sub-male, the sub-male becoming king, or even a 50/50 chance! Unkoneo (#45634) What if the main male had a chance to kill the cubs when they were born? Like you could get a message saying that you main male saw you breeding with the your sub and now He is going to kill the offspring to show that he is dominant male in the pride. And this could possibly carry a longer cool down because the main male is *watching* this sub more closely? Or if he didn't "notice" then the cubs would be raised as his own? Still carries a cool down Hayley (#53270) ------------------------------------------------ ::Roles:: This suggestion of mine is fairly old and I've only recently gotten back into Lioden. And I'm honestly surprised sub males still don't have that big of a role in prides. They sit there, look fancy and eat my food. Sure they can patrol, but that's it? It's a huge let down honestly and I feel there are so many great potential things you can add. Some ideas; -Males could have a option of taking a adolescent with them on a patrol. The adolescent may pick up some stats or experience from watching and learning from the sub male(s). Or maybe they lack of experience from the adolescents will mess up the patrol! Lots of options for funny notifications and text. "Adolescent Name tripped during the patrol; causing a commotion and scaring away any potential meals. Darn!" -A option could be for them to 'guard' cubs that you can choose. This would be especially neat if you tie in some sort of random event features. Maybe the cubs could pick up on a few things from these elder males watching them. "Cub name had a fun time pouncing on Sub Male's tail; it never hurts to practice after all. +Random stat" "After a game of hide and seek in the tall grass with Sub Male; Cub Name seemed to pick up a few lessons. +Random stat" "It appears Cub Name found something while out romping with Sub Male. +random toy item" -It'd be neat if Sub Males could maybe choose adolescents to mentor as well. There'd be a option for you to assign certain adols (with a limit) to be a apprentice of sorts to the sub male(s). Where they could train every so often or maybe spar to get random,small stat gains; maybe even items? "After a hard day of training; Adolescent Name gained a few skills! +Random stats" "Sub Male had a lot of trouble keeping Adolescent Name focused. They didn't learn anything today.." |
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Mommyof3 (#6429)
Nice Guy View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-07-10 06:04:25 |
it was said in on the news post from the 7th, sometime soon there will be more you can do with your sub-males, so they wanted to make sure everyone could afford 2  0 players like this post! Like? |
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Zombeh || Clean King (#13715)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-07-10 06:07:37 |
Ah it did say that didn't it? Maybe they'll add it in eventually if we bring it to their attention. I know I asked about it on the chatbox earlier and asked if there were future plans. Vee said not that she knew of, which led me to creating this. SO maybe when they do give sub males more purpose they can add this in as well. c: 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Airika {Corin - Blush King} (#1552) Remarkable View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-07-10 06:26:06 |
Maybe even a breeding cool-down for sub males where you could only breed them every few weeks, much like lionesses. 2 players like this post! Like? |
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Zombeh || Clean King (#13715)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-07-11 02:07:24 |
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Laihyltu (#15279)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-07-11 04:44:09 |
Total support! I just bought a handsome sub male, but I'm sad that my only option for getting cubs from him is paying to retire my male early. :/ 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Laszlo (#10825)
Renowned View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-07-12 23:42:07 |
The purpose of the submales apparently will be to protect the cubs from disasters, so in a way making them essential instead of a choice. I hate that decision. I dont want to throw my gameplay, choose a weak submale I dont even want, feed another hungry mouth just so my cubs will be safe. Seriously... a female lioness is more likely to watch the cubs than a submale. With only breeding enabled it is still staying a choice than becoming essential so I like this idea. And this only. Not the cub-protecting feature. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Nynke {6 special mark maroon} (#12504) Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-07-16 20:55:47 |
I support! It's realistic; when males lions team up, they often even mate with the same lioness; they won't know who the cub's father is, so they protect all ^^ 0 players like this post! Like? |
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VeeVee (#390)
Savage View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-07-20 15:35:44 |
There are new features coming soon. I dunno when I said that. But as for this idea, I'm not really sure about it. Switching back and forth between lions is like switching your identity back and forth constantly. Since you are playing the lion afterall. Plus, I don't think that lions really switch roles back and forth like that (but I don't think they have 'alpha' or subordinate' lions. They just like consistancy). About breeding with your sub male within the pride, If this was done, I would want it to be limited. That's pretty much my thoughts. So lets say your male lion that just died is a custom. You don't want to waste that money and/or time you spent creating him. You like the way he looks and you don't want to loose him. So you keep his appearance on a new lion. But where does this leave your sub male? He wont become a heir and when he ages will simply die. Or you know what; what if you do replace him with a heir, but your sub male by now may be aged and close to a retiring age himself. Now what do you do? Also, regarding this paragraph. If I'm reading it correctly, you're saying that you think when you choose to keep the design, that the design kept will be a brand new male? Actually, when you transfer the design, you can choose to transfer it onto your sub male. Transfering the design is just that. Transferring it. You have to have a canvas to paint on ^^ So when you reroll, or have an heir, you can put the design on that lion and it will still be that lion, he's just wearing new clothes :3 He keeps his stats and such. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 20/07/13 by VeeVee (#390) |
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Zombeh || Clean King (#13715)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-07-21 14:47:19 |
Wait I am confused now how that works..? Your new male lion keeps your previous males looks? Or is it transferred to your sub male? Or are you saying only his stats get carried over...? Is there an option because if it just auto overwrites the appearance of my sub male, that's so pointless. Does that render the looks of your sub male useless if you simply overwrite his design/looks with your old main male? Then what's the point in paying money for a sub male based on appearances? :I (Unless you could breed him) If a choice between rolling a new lion with your old male's looks and transferring it to a sub male is a option currently that only adds to my statement in the paragraph you pointed out. Maybe you like the way your sub male looks AND the way your male lion looks. So you choose to create a new male with your old males' design rather then overwrite that pretty sub male of yours. Then what? I agree having sub males being able to breed within the pride would be better then having them swapping roles if you prefer it realistically. On that topic it is a proven fact when multiple males form collation to overthrow a male and take over a pride; there is no true set dominant. They both breed with the females sometimes multiple times so in reality you truly don't know what cubs belong to which male. So if we're talking realistically for the game you wouldn't have a single, lead male with subordinates. You'd have multiple, equally ranked males. And if the option to swap back and forth isn't/wont be added maybe sub males should have an option of studding too. But maybe have a limit on only one male within the pride being open to studding at one time? I love some of the ideas you guys are coming up with though and the comments/support are really appreciated. :3 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 21/07/13 by Zombeh (#13715) |
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Jian89 *primal* (#12445)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-07-21 18:09:38 |
Support indeed, in the wild when, for example, 2 males lead a pride, it's indeed first come first serve when it comes to breeding. are they both at the same lioness, then they have a quick fight and the more dominant wins. submales should only be breedable inside the pride (or very limited, like maybe 5 outside breeding/week/month ... with the same studfee settings as for custom lions now :) ) 0 players like this post! Like? |
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VeeVee (#390)
Savage View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-07-21 22:22:16 |
Ok, if you go to your lion's profile and click the 'Retire' button you can see there is a check box to keep the old lion's looks. If you choose to keep an heir, the old lion's looks will be transfered onto the heir but it will still be the heir since he keeps his level and stats. You don't have to keep the old lion's appearance. It's just an option. You can keep the looks of your sub if you want. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Zombeh || Clean King (#13715)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-07-22 03:28:16 |
What if you want to keep both looks though..? So no matter what if you want to keep the appearance of your retired male it /has/ to go to your sub male? Like I said it makes choosing a sub male based solely on appearance pointless then. :c Welp there goes my 900 SB. *makes mental note to keep a ugly heir with good stats* Edit: Added another idea/concept to the first post. Changed the title since new concept dealt with another retiring option and not breeding. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 22/07/13 by Zombeh (#13715) |
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b u m b l e ! 🍂 [2G Pie] (#4497)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-07-22 07:20:39 |
I don't support any of this sorry. The idea that a male lion would like his sub male breed with his lioness is not realistic at all. I just don;t like the idea sorry ^^ 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Zombeh || Clean King (#13715)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-07-22 08:18:30 |
Well you're entitled to your opinions but saying it isn't realistic really isn't true. It has been recorded that if multiple male lions, usually related, team up to take over another male lions pride and succeed, neither are the 'leader'. They both breed with the females. " The pride usually consists of five or six females, their cubs of both sexes, and one or two males (known as a coalition if more than one) who mate with the adult females (although extremely large prides, consisting of up to 30 individuals, have been observed). The number of adult males in a coalition is usually two, but may increase to four and decrease again over time. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion "Mating within a pride is first come first served. Since there is no dominance hierarchy amongst males or females, no mate selection is found to occur." http://www.dalytoursandsafari.com/photo_lion.html "The resident males of a pride are immigrants that have forcefully gained control of the pride from the previous male members. In order to successfully take over a pride, males form coalitions, usually consisting of brothers.." " These males lead nomadic lives for two to three years, then form a coalition and seek a pride to take over.." "Coalition partners are usually related males that left their pride as adolescents and stayed together as nomads until mature and ready to compete. Lone nomads also join forces and can form coalitions as cohesive as sibling teams. " http://www.freewebs.com/wild-lions/males.htm http://suite101.com/article/prides-coalitions-and-infanticide-among-lions-a133515 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 22/07/13 by Zombeh (#13715) |
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Bubblybubbles (#13915)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-07-22 08:25:45 |
I think this sounds like a great idea =D I would completly go for this 0 players like this post! Like? |
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