Still no support to have sub males be breed able.

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I am going to repeat what was said before.
This received a strict 'no' from the developers on the video meeting due to the problems it would cause on the market and economy.

Bumping this is futile.

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Link to video? c: If it was saved or uploaded somewhere of course. Besides I don't see whats 'futile' about bumping a topic; there's more suggestions in here then just being able to breed sub males. Besides how long ago has it been since this video meeting? A individuals opinions are capable of changing over time.

All the same; I think I'll keep bumping my topic until I get a firm reply from staff or my topic gets locked.

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Ir was a video meeting, man. It was not recorded but ask anyone and they will confirm. We talked about uses for submales and the breeding of submales plus any use for them in battles was shot down due to balance issues.

The reason why this topic wasnt yet locked was to stop people from making more of these threads and link them back to yours instead. It is to reduce spam. There are a lot of absurd ideas still floating around that are clearly a straight 'no' but they arent yet locked.

And trust me, this will be one thing that will never get approval. Why? because this would render the Early Retirement useless. You dont know how much income the site would lose with this. As long as income change is involved... I do not believe this will get through, even if thousand threads are made for it.

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Like I said before, there are other ideas in here then just breeding sub males. I don't actually have anything involving them battling per-say either.

And if that is the purpose of my thread, why are you complaining at me for bumping it. If anything I'm doing the community a service so it stays right on the first page and people wont make their own topics. Me bumping my topic has no ill-effect on you. This is a suggestion forum after all, so user input is allowed even if ideas are crazy. With that being said you're also more then welcome to your opinions, but you trying to put a strict 'no' on this thread doesn't solve anything (or for that matter change my opinions). Why not try to better the idea? Or include something constructive that hasn't been said by the previous posts in this thread.

A lot of changes or additions to a game effects income. Adding new markings effects income. Having events effects income. If this was made a GB feature, I'm pretty sure it'd also effect income, in a positive way. I also don't see how any of my ideas would effect early retirement, people would still find a need to retire males for one reason or another. I'm also not sure entirely that many people use the feature excessively as it is to effect income that greatly. Like I said if having sub males being breedable or any of the suggestions would become a GB feature; I see the site making money. More people would buy extra male slots as one example.

There's also examples of things the staff have said no to being added; like studding males for example. The request for it was so great and people were getting scammed; that they ended up making public studding a feature. So who are you to say anything is futile or wont ever happen?

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Thing is that I see no way how to make it better. Maybe by making this cost 10GB, just like the early retirement, but then it would not be used anyway. Anything less and the site loses income because they dont need to pay the 10GB.

What you seem to forget is that the ones you listed (markings, events) all affect the income in a positive manner. This one would give a negative change, a loss of income which the site clearly doesnt want. And if you can breed the submale, then why exactly would people want to early retire their king? Breeding is the only and sole reason for early retirements. And when a new interesting marking or base comes out, people tend to early retire a lot. That means income. Now give the ability for the submale to breed and you lose all this income. Or give it a way to take over the pride without needing to pay the 10GB.

See the problem?

And well... we all know that the studding system is the reason why the lion market is trash. The staff most certainly knows they made a mistake and we (and the economy) can only hope that they wont repeat it.

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"Like I said before, there are other ideas in here then just breeding sub males."

You repeating the same things over and over isn't going to change my mind about anything honestly. But you have your opinions and that's great. You keep them, awesome.

There are plenty of ways the ideas in this thread could generate income for the site.

"You can give sub males the ability to breed within the pride. To avoid the already problem of too many cubs, we can have that be the only option. There wont be a stud fee, that's what you main lion is for. They can only breed to lioness within your pride."

With this option you can have it unlocked via a one time GB purchase to make it available to you.

"There could also be an option to simply swap between your sub male(s) and main male at will. To avoid any issues with overpopulation or inflated cub prices, there could be a limit to how many times it can be done weekly (or even monthly). Heck maybe there's a cooldown for once you swap?"

And here swapping between your main and sub male could also cost GB every swap. Topped with a cool down of some kind, I don't see it hurting anything.

"Or maybe save the appearance of your past lions and, when each retires, get the option to keep/re-roll/choose from all your past lions. That way, if you ever get an awesome submale, but his looks are nasty, you can have multiple options for appearances."

It could also cost GB to save a lions appearance in your 'past lion wardrobe' or whatever you'd call it in this situation. I personally enjoy this idea greatly and look it doesn't even effect or have to do with breeding at all. Woah what is this sorcery? Not everything in this thread has to do with breeding.

"what about the suggestion of having several looks to choose from ONLY when your submale takes over the pride? Maybe make it cost like 1 GB or a high SB amount to store up to 5 designs. Then if you don't want to lose your oasis custom design, you just can only have one on your male, but you still have access to the other one?">

This also ties in with the above.

and there's a entirely different area involving tasks and roles for sub males in the first post that have nothing ot do with breeding them.

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Breeding within the pride: Old fashioned studding will come back. People will still stud outside lionesses by making them pride lionesses. There ya go. Now scammers can freely steal lions again and you did not prevent studding.

Swapping main male and submale at will: basically means retiring. You can swap your main male to your submale and there ya go, no need to early retire. Will it cost less than 10GB? Then I am afraid we are back to 'income loss'. People would need to swap only once, so the cooldown would not affect anything. People get a cheap retiring, bypassing the 10GB.

Save designs: Income loss. How many times do you think people go to the Oasis to change the appearance of their king after they got bored of their design? How many GB do people pay to breed to lions with the desired markings? How many GBs do people pay for lions with the right markings through their playing time on Lioden? If they can just save previous designs, then they dont need to pay GB for special markings or anything. They just need to do it once each. The amount of people using the Oasis to re-customize would fall drastically. Again, income loss.

Same as the submale appearance choice.

his all will generate income loss one way or another, either by bypassing the early retirement fee or by giving people the chance to not need to pay GB to get special markings or custom marking combinations or bases because they only need to get them once and they will keep it forever.

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"Swapping main male and submale at will: basically means retiring. You can swap your main male to your submale and there ya go, no need to early retire. Will it cost less than 10GB? Then I am afraid we are back to 'income loss'. People would need to swap only once, so the cooldown would not affect anything. People get a cheap retiring, bypassing the 10GB."

How do you know it wont be 10 GB per swap? I never gave a set price on the matter. Tat's not for me to come up with as it's only a suggestion after all. And I feel people could and probably would end up swapping multiple times as the need arises.

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his all will generate income loss one way or another, either by bypassing the early retirement fee or by giving people the chance to not need to pay GB to get special markings or custom marking combinations or bases because they only need to get them once and they will keep it forever."

Honestly if anything oasis and custom lions in general have plummeted a lot value wise anyways. I don't feel people use it as much as they used to due to everyone being so hyped over the latest 'special' markings. You also seem to forget that even without this being implemented people can still keep the same design on their male without having to spend a ton of GB. You can already reuse your males design on a heir; so people are already only paying once for 'special' bases and markings.

Which mind you special bases and markings are not generated through the oasis. There is nothing you can even buy (from a NPC shop) with GB that results in 'special' bases, markings, etc.. These are all event based things or markings generated by raffle lionesses. The prices are entirely up to the community in general. New special things come and go with time and their value decreases with time. Having the ability to store a design isn't going to change that or lower any sort of value for these sort of things or the income the site will bring. If anything having people pay to unlock slots to save these designs would probably bring in a good chunk of cash for the website.

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How do you know it wont be 10 GB per swap? I never gave a set price on the matter.

If it is more than 10GB or is 10GB, then I can guarantee you that nobody would use it. If it is 10GB, then it is a useless feature because there is no true difference. If it is more than 10GB, then people wont use it but will use the early retirement fee. If it will cost less than 10GB, then people will bypass the early retirement fee with this.

You can already reuse your males design on a heir; so people are already only paying once for 'special' bases and markings.

The difference between this and your idea is that this is one single design which has to be used or it will be 'forgotten' by the game. They cannot hoard designs and use them again. They will need to spend GB to either get it back or make a new one similar to it, be it special or custom design. With this idea, you will push away this income from the game.

And if we are going by popularity, then why dont we just give all the custom bases and markings for free? I mean, they dont sell anyway, people are only crazy about special bases. See? Just because something lost popularity doesnt mean it has to be taken away from the income list because some people still want it and will pay the GB for it.

Again, it is not the value but the GB payment for re-customization that you take away with saving designs. People will pay GB to recustomize, to get back an old design they liked or to give variety to their pride. Let people save designs and this income is gone. A potential 19GB per customization. Or more if they choose extra payment features.

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Well you're welcome to your opinions and I can clearly see anything I reply with isn't going to change your mind. So thankyou for sharing your opinions.

Not going to try and force my ideas on someone; after all this is a suggestion forum. However I'm still going to continue to bump my topic occasionally whether you or anyone else wants me too.

Feel free to continue on, but know you wont be getting any replies from me (unless it involves something constructive).

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Ah; I'm glad you like one of the ideas then. ^-^ And I agree with you if sub males were made to be breedable; that any cooldown should only effect the sub males and not females.

Also I never actually thought of using a sub male that way, but it makes sense. They do sometimes bring in that extra food that comes in handy. Makes me feel less guilty choosing one heir over another now and keeping one as a sub male. xD

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I really love these suggestions. I really wanted to be able to breed my sub male, because I can't remember how many times I got a pretty or rare based sub male that I couldn't breed and it annoyed me because by the time my main male died the sub male would either be dead or like will die in a few weeks. I really hope they add a breeding feature for them in.

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