I'm not sure if this has been regected or not but...

I like the idea for sub males to be able to breed via very restricted terms. Even costing 5GB to breed I think would work. It's less than forcing the main lion out but added revenue if doing so doesn't happen, resulting in an equal amount once two breedings occur and from there just more added revenue. So in the end, if a person wants to breed their sub male more often than their current male, it would be a money saver for the user to just switch them out.

No studding, limited cubs, and other restrictions could be in place for this as well. For example: Breeding the sub male for 5GB to one female (and only one per fee) would result in x cub(s). Then, two breedings would fall equal with switching the current king male out with the subordinate early. This would still lead to the user's descretion on if they want to switch out the lions or continually pay to breed the sub male and keep their current male. It would still cost 10GB to switch the males out early, though.

I know this was talked about with switching males out (which I do not like the idea of since it would cause problems one way or another - but then this whole topic may just cause problems anyway! XD) but doing so would cause a major revenue loss since there would be no way to further control the number of cubs with a revenue advantage. This way, there would be gains whether ya'll agree with the price or not - just keep in mind mine a theoretical price.

~just my thoughts~
I originally got the impression that this game (respectively) followed the life of a real lion clan... until this point. I had also bought some pretty males with that notion only to find out I couldn't breed them and they pretty much do absolutely nothing.

Seriously, though... If a site admin reads this it would be good food for thought in the very least.

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The idea of sub males being allowed to breed has already been rejected

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I know submale breeding has been rejected, but I still feel that with enough limitations it would be a sure bet for GB sales.

I think a herbal item you could use to 'drug the king' so your submale could have his way with an in heat lady while he's out could work and provide limitations in a way that is canonically sensible.
- item is applied to the king, immediately after use you must choose a submale to breed with one of your in heat females
- cool down is applied to the king because he's the one who took the item
- cool down lasts the entire remaining lifespan of the king (or a few months, in a lenient situation), on the basis that he won't be foolish enough to consume the herb again
- because the cool down does not apply to the submale used to breed or any other submale on the account, if a submale is sold he's immediately usable by the buyer unless their king already is on cool down

The only potential for gaming the system here would be luridly expensive. Since the cool down is applied to the king, every time you retired a king, it would go away because the new king would not know better. In theory, if you could afford to retire your king whenever you wanted, you could breed submales whenever you wanted.
However, early retirement + bypassing the cool down costs 25GB all by itself. Add in a 5GB breeding item, and someone who wants to breed their submales all the time will be paying 30GB per breeding. If you're willing to pay that much to breed different lions all the time, as it is, you pretty much already can for just the 25GB it takes to replace your king.
The difference is that with submale breeding you would have the option of keeping a bank of good looking subs and use lousy lions as kings so it wasn't wasteful to toss them, whereas currently if you want to breed a few lions for their looks all in the span of a few months, you will lose all but the last to retirement. If you have deep pockets, I suppose that could be an appealing set up.

But, if your kings themselves are always crud so replacing them to cut the cool down is painless, you miss out on stud fees. Since you can only breed within your pride, the only way to make money breeding submales is to sell the resulting cubs or to offer traditional breedings. 30GB a pop for achance to make money back as a seller or get a cub worth 30GB as the owner of a lioness isn't highly appealing when it's easier to make money putting up your best lion to stud as a seller and, and as a buyer it's a less painful gamble to pay a stud fee and risk a bad litter than it is to pay some 30GB and still gamble against those duds. So, swapping kings out all the time for the sake of breeding sub males won't have much more appeal than frequently replacing kings already does, IMO. Most people will breed submales for personal use only and perhaps sell the best looking results, but kings will still produce many, many more cubs and the economy probably won't even wobble.

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"-You can give sub males the ability to breed within the pride. To avoid the already problem of too many cubs, we can have that be the only option. There wont be a stud fee, that's what you main lion is for. They can only breed to lioness within your pride.

-There could also be an option to simply swap between your sub male(s) and main male at will. To avoid any issues with overpopulation or inflated cub prices, there could be a limit to how many times it can be done weekly (or even monthly). Heck maybe there's a cooldown for once you swap?

This could also solve the issues of people creating multiple accounts for male lions. With this option their would be no need and you'd cut back on some rulebreakers too.

Now before I close this part up, I'd also like to mention something. Lion prides in the wild can have multiple, adult male lions in them. If males team up to take out another lion and overtake his pride (which usually is the case). They don't have a set dominant male within their collation. It's first come first served. Any of the males can breed within the pride."

I love this idea so very very much.
Soon I'm going to be kinging my first king. But I dont want all my lions to look like the ones in my breeding project.. My sub male has perfect looks for the lions I'm trying to breed for. It would be wonderful if I could use him.
I'm sick of paying a lot of sb to mass breed my five 'ghoul' lionesses.

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Even limiting how much a sub male can breed has been rejected down: https://lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429183307
it has been mentioned on quite a few past suggestions variations to allow for sub males to breed and the end result is NO you have to king them.

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I wish you could breed sub males great idea

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I've wanted to breed a sub male, his name is Blacktiger with my Lioness Silverstone

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Oh i NEED THIS.
I have a primal, and i want to have more primal babies!
But i already had a heir in mind. So now im quite torn because subs cant breed! I would love if this was made a thing!

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Huge support for submale breeding within your own pride. Maybe a submale could be limited to breeding to one lioness per rollover or something, I'm not sure about the GB item, it would depend but submales being able to breed would help breeding projects across the board and maybe make them more valuable and people more likely to buy submale slots (which do get rather expensive already which is why I'm not sure about the GB item.)

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I NEED this for my pride!! I have a couple sub males that i love dearly. and i hate to see them just sit in my den and rot :(
Patroling is okay.. But nothing special.
But maybe the submales could breed behind the pride leaders back.?and i think that, chance of the pride leader killing the cubs, is a smart thing! Maybe the submale cant have a kind nature, or a good nature, because he is lying, and going behind his leaders back?
But i really Really think this should be added-

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Did they say why it was rejected? There's so many supporters.

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Sub-male breeding has long been on the "Permanently rejected ideas" list. The other things in this suggestion might be under consideration.

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Hi,
Just confirming, but sub males being able to breed is a permanently rejected idea. As linked before, you can view permanently rejected ideas on this thread here. It's a great idea but unfortunately it's just not something that's ever going to be added.

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Thanks you two for answering me! I took a look at the thread so thank you for linking it. :)

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I support! I have a beutiful sub Male but I still have my og starter male
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