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 Zombeh || Clean King (#13715) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts  Posted on 2013-07-10 05:47:25 |
With the addition of sub males a lot of neat things have come into Lioden. We can have heirs now and sub male patroling is always fun. But other then that what's the real purpose of a sub male lion on this game? Are there any other perks aside from having them look fancy on your den? No. But what if we give them more of a purpose. ::Breeding & Retiring:: Lets say you have a pretty lioness that doesn't mix well with your main lion, but looks nice with your sub male. However there is no option currently to breed the two. You could go through the hassle of creating a side account and sending your sub male there, but what if you already have a side account with a custom male lion? And creating more accounts is against the rules, so you're stuck. Now back to my point, whats the purpose of a sub male lion currently? You spend time training up their stats and going on patrols, but what about when they age? Sure you can replace your main male lion when he retired, but wait.. hold up. When your lion dies you have the option to (retire them beforehand), reroll a new male lion, replace them with a heir or keep their appearance on the heir. So lets say your male lion that just died is a custom. You don't want to waste that money and/or time you spent creating him. You like the way he looks and you don't want to loose him. But.... you also like the way your sub male looks. Now you're stuck. What if your sub male is just as handsome has your main male or hey maybe he's a custom lion too! Before he dies you have no way at all to continue on his legacy and not only that but, wasted your hard earned time, SB or even GB when he dies. Now I have two ideas that could fix this: -You can give sub males the ability to breed within the pride. To avoid the already problem of too many cubs, we can have that be the only option. There wont be a stud fee, that's what you main lion is for. They can only breed to lioness within your pride. -There could also be an option to simply swap between your sub male(s) and main male at will. To avoid any issues with overpopulation or inflated cub prices, there could be a limit to how many times it can be done weekly (or even monthly). Heck maybe there's a cooldown for once you swap? This could also solve the issues of people creating multiple accounts for male lions. With this option their would be no need and you'd cut back on some rulebreakers too. Now before I close this part up, I'd also like to mention something. Lion prides in the wild can have multiple, adult male lions in them. If males team up to take out another lion and overtake his pride (which usually is the case). They don't have a set dominant male within their collation. It's first come first served. Any of the males can breed within the pride. New ideas & concepts- -Maybe even a breeding cool-down for sub males where you could only breed them every few weeks, much like lionesses. -Airika (#1552) -Another option when retiring your male lion, to keep the appearance on a new male. Not everyone wants to loose their main males appearance when he dies, but sometimes they already enjoy the way their sub males look. - Zombeh (#13715) -Or maybe save the appearance of your past lions and, when each retires, get the option to keep/re-roll/choose from all your past lions. That way, if you ever get an awesome submale, but his looks are nasty, you can have multiple options for appearances. Kimakishi [Kyo] {Loyalty} (CK) (#13351) Some suggestions: 5 more cooling days for females Limited to 5 a week Ou can switch in between sub males BUT your 5 studding limit does not change. It will still be the same witch ever male you breed to. Chunky (#10861) Going off giving the submales breeding capabilities within your pride only, why not make all submale breedings result in only one cub? Valravn (#22295) what about the suggestion of having several looks to choose from ONLY when your submale takes over the pride? Maybe make it cost like 1 GB or a high SB amount to store up to 5 designs. Then if you don't want to lose your oasis custom design, you just can only have one on your male, but you still have access to the other one? CharleyHorse (#7731) Also instead of just swapping out sub-males, why not have the ability to have the sub-male challenge the current king? And if say, his stats and level are high enough or if he's lucky enough he can chase out the current king. There could be a penalty, meaning the king would be chased out entirely or just swap rankings with the past sub-male, the sub-male becoming king, or even a 50/50 chance! Unkoneo (#45634) What if the main male had a chance to kill the cubs when they were born? Like you could get a message saying that you main male saw you breeding with the your sub and now He is going to kill the offspring to show that he is dominant male in the pride. And this could possibly carry a longer cool down because the main male is *watching* this sub more closely? Or if he didn't "notice" then the cubs would be raised as his own? Still carries a cool down Hayley (#53270) ------------------------------------------------ ::Roles:: This suggestion of mine is fairly old and I've only recently gotten back into Lioden. And I'm honestly surprised sub males still don't have that big of a role in prides. They sit there, look fancy and eat my food. Sure they can patrol, but that's it? It's a huge let down honestly and I feel there are so many great potential things you can add. Some ideas; -Males could have a option of taking a adolescent with them on a patrol. The adolescent may pick up some stats or experience from watching and learning from the sub male(s). Or maybe they lack of experience from the adolescents will mess up the patrol! Lots of options for funny notifications and text. "Adolescent Name tripped during the patrol; causing a commotion and scaring away any potential meals. Darn!" -A option could be for them to 'guard' cubs that you can choose. This would be especially neat if you tie in some sort of random event features. Maybe the cubs could pick up on a few things from these elder males watching them. "Cub name had a fun time pouncing on Sub Male's tail; it never hurts to practice after all. +Random stat" "After a game of hide and seek in the tall grass with Sub Male; Cub Name seemed to pick up a few lessons. +Random stat" "It appears Cub Name found something while out romping with Sub Male. +random toy item" -It'd be neat if Sub Males could maybe choose adolescents to mentor as well. There'd be a option for you to assign certain adols (with a limit) to be a apprentice of sorts to the sub male(s). Where they could train every so often or maybe spar to get random,small stat gains; maybe even items? "After a hard day of training; Adolescent Name gained a few skills! +Random stats" "Sub Male had a lot of trouble keeping Adolescent Name focused. They didn't learn anything today.." |
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Stringworm, Roach the Gary <3 (#233091) 
Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-05-26 19:32:56 |
I have like, 1 submale per account. They don't do anything but i bought them when i thought they did something and got too emotionally attached to get rid of them ^^; i'd really like a reason to justify my hoarding asghgfdsa  0 players like this post! Like? |
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WaggishGal (#97535)
Amiable View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-05-26 19:36:00 |
Hahaha haha ah yes....the hoarding I've turned my hoarding into a game. I'm collecting every eye color for a Reverse Breeding thread 😅 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Seiyuki (#329453)
Usual View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-08-14 21:06:07 |
Honestly wished I knew that the sub male couldn't breed. I picked a beautiful mutie submale that I thought I could breed and now extermly disappointed I spent GB on him. I'll have to loose my custom male to even use my sub male. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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KogasBabyGirl (#348840)
Majestic View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-09-14 09:50:10 |
I'm new to the game and didn't realize submales did nothing. I assumed you could select them to breed within the pride. I also assume you could switch them out as your main without just killing off the one you got as the first Lion. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Rubypaw (#294904)
Harbinger View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-12-25 23:20:15 |
It would be better for a genetics standpoint to allow submales to breed within a pride. Maybe with limited number of 'submale pairings' per week to make up for being able to free swap in new males. Like breeding slots for a main male but allowing only like x per sub-slot matchs within the pride that all the submales share to keep it balanced. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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!LEAFY! (#278961)
Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-01-12 01:19:48 |
Submales being able to breed has been rejected unfortunately Rejected Suggestions However, the other ideas are really neat! 0 players like this post! Like? |
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interland12345 (#358296)
Sweetheart View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-12-11 11:25:11 |
how can you allow sub-males to breed in the pride?????????????????????????? 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Auris (#102788)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-12-24 07:17:59 |
No support! People point out that more than one male lion can be in the pride at once and breed with the same female. Although this is true, the common thing that people using this argument leave out is that these two or sometimes three males in one pride are BROTHERS! I.e biologically related and therefore it doesn't matter who gets the lioness pregnant as the bloodline is being passed down all the same. That being said there definitely is a dominant brother who gets first pick of the ladies, and the other males usually only get a chance when pregnancy from him is least likely, usually towards the end of her heat after several attempts with the main guy. Now I get it, lioden isn't fully realistic, and video games do need to prioritize fun first. My issue is that our kings/queens are supposed to be us in a way. Being able to switch just sounds like an easy way to get the king you want quicker without the work everyone else had to put in. We can't have everything we want whenever we want and I feel like being able to switch, or simply breed, your sub will add more problems than anything. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 24/12/23 @ 07:18:55 by Auris (#102788) |
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Lampropelt1s (#479204)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-07-14 09:42:24 |
While I see this option has been rejected, I really don't see why would it be game breaking. It'd be nice. We can sell our lioness's heats or request studding from other main males, and that isn't hurting our Main's dignity somehow, but a sub breeding would? It's not like it would actually increase the amount of cubs being born or flood the market as long as they can't also offer studding - because, if you won't breed your nice lioness to the submale, will you really not breed it at all, or you'd just breed it to the main male and hope for the best - producing the same amount of cubs, but perhaps uglier ones because the pairing with the submale would be prettier, therefore if you chose to sell them, you'd be cluttering up the market with less aesthethic lions. It doesn't change the amount of cubs being born, just the amount of variation we can achieve with cub genetics. I had to sex change some of my male cubs just to be able to keep their genetics in line, knowing they're not optimal for heirs. Also, submale slots are expensive, and all they do is patrol. Being able to keep possible genetic variation for your lioness's cubs withing the pride would be worth the price above most of stud fees, at least that's my opinion. And for submales gaining stats by patrolling and being OP - it's not like they're actually gaining stats faster than the main male through leveling? or maybe I'm just nolifing explore? But when I had a submale to train my main's son, his patrols leveled his stats way slower than I could level my main male. Though maybe it would be faster for the people who play with their main less. In the end it's just my opinion 2 players like this post! Like?Edited on 14/07/24 @ 10:02:08 by Lampropelt1s (#479204) |
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