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Posted by | Auctions MUST Have End Date |
![]() GamingGal (#18503) Sapphic View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-25 07:48:15 |
I'm tired of seeing this popping up, and it seems to be an issue sometimes, so I have a suggestion. Mind you, I know there is a suggestion for an Auction House. This suggestion is for in case that isn't implemented (or as a stand-in until it is). With auctions right now, the seller has the right to do whatever they want. They can change the date, not set an end date, end it with no winner, all sorts of things. That shouldn't be so. I think the site needs to create more control over it, and below are rules that I feel should be added to the ToS: --Auctions MUST have an end date stated in the MAIN post. Once the end date is stated, there is a 24hr grace period to change it in case you typed the wrong date or something comes up in life. --If an edit is required, a "flag to edit" option will be available for use This will require a small bit of coding, but it would work a lot like the "Report" function. You will flag your post, and will be taken to a page where you have to state WHY you want to edit the auction. It will go to the mods where they can approve/deny it, and give a reason if needed. --If the end date lists a specific hour, it must be in LD time This will cut down on any potential confusion between time zones. --The seller cannot back out of an auction unless for a reason proven valid by a moderator Too many sellers are adding the clause of "I can end if it doesn't sell for enough!" and that's not how auctions work. An auction's starting bid should be the lowest amount you would be content with accepting. Being able to end it simply because you didn't like the price it reached by the end date is nothing but price gouging. --The seller may cancel the auction if there are no bids after 3 days of the auction being live. --There should be repercussions for refusing to pay/refusing to send items won If an auction runs to the end time and a winner is evident, the seller should be required to hand over the items/lions for the final bid price. On the other hand, the buyer should be required to stand buy their bid and not back out. If this cannot happen, the side who resigns should face some sort of punishment, be it a warning or something. --The seller would have a 7-10 day grace period to send the item once the auction ends since life is a thing and we shouldn't punish people for having lives. --If a bidder decides to withdraw, they MUST tell the seller The bidder should not be allowed to withdraw from an auction unless they tell the seller. If the seller is not informed, the bid is still considered valid. ------------------------------- Thoughts? NOTE: this thread has been edited to reflex the ideas and feelings I was receiving from others. Although it differs from the original, the main concept I was focused on is still there. |
ClockKey (#74714)
Heavenly View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-27 17:22:43 |
What if you accidentally messed up a price or forgot to Proof read and made typos everywhere? What if you need to add the Current bidder? What if you had to Add or Remove lions? There's so many things wrong with this. I wouldn't want to have to contact a Moderator just for every little detail to edit for my OWN thread. Ugh. ![]() Edited on 28/12/15 @ 00:23:46 by ClockKey (#74714) |
LEAVING (#66178)
Usual View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-27 17:26:38 |
I totally agree with ClockKey, this suggestion is excessive. ![]() Edited on 28/12/15 @ 00:26:48 by Karim (#66178) |
GamingGal (#18503)
Sapphic View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-27 17:32:39 |
Karim -- The 24hr grace period is a sort of "limbo" stage where you can edit your post. It starts when you first post it and ends 24hrs from that exact second. To "edit" in bidders, you do what most clans are doing to list members: you make a post right below your main one. It's the same thing and accomplishes the task without requiring you edit the main post. Your bidders are still right there where they can easily be found and you don't have to contact a moderator for anything. You might not be the one to scam people, but there is a lot of it happening, particularly in the strain of "I can end this if I don't make enough GB!!1!1!11!" and nothing is being done about it. The people keep doing it and there is no rule stopping them. This would at least require them have an end date without allowing them to change it, which is a rising issue. Also, no need for profanity. ClockKey -- Please read the main post and what I just said to Karim. There would be a 24hr "grace" period starting the moment you post it where you could edit it to fix any typos, mistakes, errors, bad links, whatever. As to your other concerns, please read the above comments and my reply to Karim. ------------------- Change like this, which would be big, will always cause upheaval. I'm guessing you both are most likely against the Auction House suggestion as well. However, change is necessary to keep improving, and right now there is too much room for people who want to run a scam, which happens. Just go browse through the auctions running right now. I came across one recently where the owner stated no end date. When I asked what that date would be, they quoted one as well as said "but I can change it if the bids aren't enough!" That is unacceptable and that is not how an auction works; that is price gouging to make sure you don't sell something too cheap, and right now there is nothing we can do about it to stop it. ![]() |
Midnighteh {Tree Guardian} (#31869) Fearsome View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-27 17:32:44 |
![]() Edited on 28/12/15 @ 00:34:03 by Midnighteh {Tree Guardian} (#31869) |
ClockKey (#74714)
Heavenly View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-27 17:36:15 |
I agree with Midnighteh. Except...You keep bringing up the 24-Hour thing. What happens after 24-Hours? What if your Auction lasts for more than that? A week? A Month or two? I mean, C'mon if you have a lot of people bidding it's gonna be tiring After that 'Grace' period is over, to edit in everyone. ![]() Edited on 28/12/15 @ 00:36:42 by ClockKey (#74714) |
GamingGal (#18503)
Sapphic View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-27 17:36:20 |
Midnighteh -- An auction is a risk for the seller. Your item might not get enough views and might sell for less. The minimum increase might be too low and make it sell for less. That's things you should consider before auctioning something off. Besides, if you have an amount you KNOW you want for your item, make that the starting bid. Problem solved. The starting bid should always be the minimum acceptable for the item, not the lowest it can go to attract eyes. I have also been on LD going on 2 years and scams don't have to be loud and blatant and known site wide to be scams. As I told Karim/Clockey, look through all the auctions and see how many people add the disclaimer of being able to end the auction if it is too low or change the end date when they want. Clockey -- Again, please read the main post. NegCol made the suggestion of using the first post below the main as a place to hold the list of current high bidders. Clans do that currently on clan forum pages as ways to have extra posts for links and whatnot. It's the same as having the list in the first post, just in the second, and all the bidders are right there for ease of access. The only thing you wouldn't be able to change is the hard details like end date and whatnot. ![]() Edited on 28/12/15 @ 00:38:02 by GamingGal [LHL] (#18503) |
LEAVING (#66178)
Usual View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-27 17:36:44 |
ClockKey (#74714)
Heavenly View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-27 17:39:19 |
What if prices and value suddenly go up after the 24-Hour period, And people are willing to pay more then? Won't you be at a loss? I mean, Especially since people are willingly dishing out money after that certain item has suddenly became very popular among LD? ![]() Edited on 28/12/15 @ 00:39:36 by ClockKey (#74714) |
GamingGal (#18503)
Sapphic View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-27 17:43:17 |
Harsh truth, but that's the risk of an auction. Don't auction something you aren't willing to take a chance on. If you want a certain amount for it, list that as the SB, since that is how an auction is SUPPOSED to work. And if the price suddenly skyrockets because that is the item/base/mark that's hot right now, then let the buyers be the ones to do the bidding that raises the price. If the worth jumps like you're suggesting, then people will flock to your auction and bid away. Again, only set the minimum increase as low as you would be willing to accept. If you want the bidding to go up by at least 1GB each time, do that! Don't put the minimum as 100SB and cross your fingers for 1GB. No. People don't do auctions the proper way, and that's why all these issues and questions are popping up. Try going to any online/real life auction and watch how they work. It's a lot different than here, and they work much smoother. ![]() Edited on 28/12/15 @ 00:43:52 by GamingGal [LHL] (#18503) |
LEAVING (#66178)
Usual View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-27 17:43:39 |
I feel like with your suggestion, people would likely give up auctions. Like ClockKey said, there are too many problems that could happen during an auction. Let the auctions be as they are. Lioden isn't completely scam-free, but still mods and admins are doing their best to stop scamming among players. ![]() |
GamingGal (#18503)
Sapphic View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-27 17:45:48 |
Karim -- The people trying to price gouge would give up, and that's good. If people give up because they actually have to think and put effort into an auction, into doing it correctly, then that's too bad for them. Right now there are too many problems with auctions, and those problems are affecting the buyers. The seller can change the end date whenever they want; the seller can stop the auction whenever they want. An auction is, as stated, a contract. It is started, and that's that. ![]() |
ClockKey (#74714)
Heavenly View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-27 17:46:49 |
But what if that certain item was very unpopular and therefore you put it at 100 SB but then it gradually or Suddenly became really valuable? Wouldn't you 'want' to raise prices? It's not like you 'knew' it was gonna skyrocket, So why not be able to make changes? :T ![]() |
LEAVING (#66178)
Usual View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-27 17:51:30 |
Well, .. I am sometimes frustrated by the 'date-changers', and those who say ''I can cancel this auction at any time if I don't get enough currency.'' .. Maybe your rule makes sense. Only the main post can't be edited, right? .. But what if you have more items to auction off, and you can't edit your main post? .. I suggest to make the main post editable once the first auction is finished, so we can add other stuff to auction off. And I agree with ClockKey, what if the prices suddenly go up? o: ![]() Edited on 28/12/15 @ 00:51:47 by Karim (#66178) |
GamingGal (#18503)
Sapphic View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-27 17:54:36 |
ClockKey -- Let me make my point clearer with an example. Let's say you buy Dicey Ice and decide to auction it off. Let's say everyone could afford a Dicey Ice right away, so they weren't really selling for much because everyone had one. You see that it's not selling for a lot because everyone has one, so you set the starting bid at 100SB and the minimum increase at 100SB. Then, people start getting the wrong markings when they use them. No one got the one marking they wanted, but they used all their stinkbugs and cannot afford more. Suddenly yours is worth a lot because fewer people have it and a lot of people want it, supply and demand. Your starting bid and minimum increase might be low, but the demand for the item is high. People will outbid others because they want the item more. There is no maximum increase, so player A might bid 1GB (instead of only raising it 100sb) higher than player B in hopes of outbidding them. That's how auctions work. If the demand raises like your suggesting, the buyers will do all the price "raising" for you by bidding higher than the minimum increase. ------------------------------------------- Karim -- Only the main post cannot be edited. If you have more lions/items to auction, you create a separate thread, or possibly you could be allowed to edit your main once the auction ends? ![]() Edited on 28/12/15 @ 00:56:35 by GamingGal [LHL] (#18503) |
ClockKey (#74714)
Heavenly View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-27 17:56:29 |