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Posted by | Auctions MUST Have End Date |
![]() GamingGal (#18503) Sapphic View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-25 07:48:15 |
I'm tired of seeing this popping up, and it seems to be an issue sometimes, so I have a suggestion. Mind you, I know there is a suggestion for an Auction House. This suggestion is for in case that isn't implemented (or as a stand-in until it is). With auctions right now, the seller has the right to do whatever they want. They can change the date, not set an end date, end it with no winner, all sorts of things. That shouldn't be so. I think the site needs to create more control over it, and below are rules that I feel should be added to the ToS: --Auctions MUST have an end date stated in the MAIN post. Once the end date is stated, there is a 24hr grace period to change it in case you typed the wrong date or something comes up in life. --If an edit is required, a "flag to edit" option will be available for use This will require a small bit of coding, but it would work a lot like the "Report" function. You will flag your post, and will be taken to a page where you have to state WHY you want to edit the auction. It will go to the mods where they can approve/deny it, and give a reason if needed. --If the end date lists a specific hour, it must be in LD time This will cut down on any potential confusion between time zones. --The seller cannot back out of an auction unless for a reason proven valid by a moderator Too many sellers are adding the clause of "I can end if it doesn't sell for enough!" and that's not how auctions work. An auction's starting bid should be the lowest amount you would be content with accepting. Being able to end it simply because you didn't like the price it reached by the end date is nothing but price gouging. --The seller may cancel the auction if there are no bids after 3 days of the auction being live. --There should be repercussions for refusing to pay/refusing to send items won If an auction runs to the end time and a winner is evident, the seller should be required to hand over the items/lions for the final bid price. On the other hand, the buyer should be required to stand buy their bid and not back out. If this cannot happen, the side who resigns should face some sort of punishment, be it a warning or something. --The seller would have a 7-10 day grace period to send the item once the auction ends since life is a thing and we shouldn't punish people for having lives. --If a bidder decides to withdraw, they MUST tell the seller The bidder should not be allowed to withdraw from an auction unless they tell the seller. If the seller is not informed, the bid is still considered valid. ------------------------------- Thoughts? NOTE: this thread has been edited to reflex the ideas and feelings I was receiving from others. Although it differs from the original, the main concept I was focused on is still there. |
Kenzii[G3 Clean Ferus] (#49358) Prince of Terror View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-28 16:54:40 |
Kinda just mentioned it. If I don't know what the interest is...I don't want an end date too soon or too far in the future. And I didn't say they had to. Just said they could. Plus one thing I have to say, I don't always pick an end date right away, and I assume others are the same. Just because it's not there doesn't mean they are not thinking it. Though it may be pointless to say, nobody is perfect and some of us have to learn along the way, but making it more of a hassle to auction or even sell lions and items that are our property...idk how that's really going to help anyone. I've stated my opinions and I'll leave it at that. ![]() |
GamingGal (#18503)
Sapphic View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-28 16:59:03 |
nom -- So, the 24hr period to change the end date is an issue, what would you suggest as a solution? Kat -- Your points keep going in circles, so I'll just leave it at that. ![]() |
Kimiko Kyuuketsuki (#32476)
![]() Heavenly View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-28 17:00:56 |
Sometimes end dates need changed though. Life happens you know? I have personally had auctions I had to change end dates. " I didn't think I would have to work this weekend" or " I forgot I had that test" are good examples. I understand you suggested Mods could give permission to change end dates or cancel auctions all together but I feel it might be overwhelming for the mods to have that added on to everything else they have to do. If the main post is unable to be edited without a mod... Things as simple as a link being broken or misspelling a word would cause countless modhub tickets and mods would have to take time to fix things, and real issues might get overlooked a bit because of it. Those are just my thoughts about this being added with forms. Though I don't quite agree, I wish you the best of luck with getting supports! ![]() |
GamingGal (#18503)
Sapphic View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-28 17:05:51 |
Kimi -- I feel I haven't explained things enough ^^; The auctioneer has a grace period after the end date passes in which they can send the item(s) won. There is no immediate penalty, and I only see the penalty taking effect if it is evident they are dodging sending the items. Like I said, life happens and I don't expect everyone to be here every day. The main post is able to be edited within the first 24hrs of being posted/live (not to mention there is a preview button). I know the concern of mods being overwhelmed is there, but perhaps we could have some mods dedicated solely to auctions/selling in general? Thanks for your questions! ![]() |
Kenzii[G3 Clean Ferus] (#49358) Prince of Terror View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-28 17:08:01 |
Don't know what I've done to make you so curt with me. I'm running on 36 hours without adequate sleep so putting my thoughts together is not exactly a fruitful endeavor. If I may say, you are getting frustrated and a little short with people who aren't supporting you or are having a harder time understanding what you're trying to get across. I will say that if this was done on TC I'd be a little more supportive, but overall I still stand with those who disagree with your idea(s) for reasons that they, (and I) have stated. ![]() Edited on 29/12/15 @ 00:08:58 by Kat (#49358) |
GamingGal (#18503)
Sapphic View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-28 17:12:30 |
Kat -- I'm not curt, I'm just not repeating myself over and over to get nowhere. Auctions in real life function in a certain matter, just google them to see that. Just because this is a game does not mean we should handle auctions any differently. Like nom said, auctions right now are a shitshow with people being able to do just about what they want, and I simply want to remove the risk/uncertainty bidders face currently. I am not frustrated with those who aren't supporting, as you can see in my reply to Kimi. They made points, I replied with my thoughts, same as I did with you. While I would love to have auctions in the TC, that requires a lot of coding, and this would simply require editing the ToS, adding in a subsection for auctions, and having a few dedicated mods. ![]() |
Kimiko Kyuuketsuki (#32476)
![]() Heavenly View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-28 17:12:41 |
Kat: I think GamingGal is actually being quite civil on this form. GamingGal: I am not sure making more mods just for this would be a good idea, though maybe a different section in the modhub? like how you flag post to be deleted, flag for permission to edit? ![]() |
GamingGal (#18503)
Sapphic View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-28 17:17:21 |
Kimi -- Hmm....flagging for permission to edit could work. I don't know how things show up in the modhub for mods, but I envision something like this could work if a thread was flagged for permission: (Player name/ID) -- (Auction thread title/link) -- (reason to edit) -- (Approval: Y/N) Not sure if that would even be feasible, but perhaps it would lighten any extra added workload for mods? Or, if we had dedicated mods, it would only have to be two or so, possibly some that are already on staff who would be willing to take on the added responsibility? ![]() |
Kimiko Kyuuketsuki (#32476)
![]() Heavenly View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-28 17:21:47 |
I think it would be easier on mods if it was in a different place than the tickets personally. I am against having mods just for this though. If there were only 2 mods doing this then it would take a long time for feedback. If the topics appeared much like your example in the ModBox I would totally support. Less chance they would get all mixed up you know? ![]() Edited on 29/12/15 @ 00:23:43 by Kimiko Kyuuketsuki [S2D] (#32476) |
Kenzii[G3 Clean Ferus] (#49358) Prince of Terror View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-28 17:22:37 |
I didn't say gaming gal was being disrespectful, it was just the way I read things due to the wording. Either way it's still asking our mods to take more time than I feel is necessary. ![]() |
GamingGal (#18503)
Sapphic View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-28 17:25:19 |
Kimi -- Perhaps the "flag for edit" could go to a separate area to be looked over and approved/denied, although then I wonder if the coding for that would be less work/easier than coding the entire TC to allow for auctions. Kat -- While I don't want mods to waste their time on anything unnecessary, I also want things to work the way they should. ![]() |
Kimiko Kyuuketsuki (#32476)
![]() Heavenly View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-28 17:27:04 |
GamingGal. If that is added to your main I will change to support. Yes it would be more work on the mods but sometimes you just have to deal with more work haha ![]() |
Arbiter (#3487)
Usual View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-28 17:54:10 |
Hi! c: I saw this thread and definitely wanted to pitch in my two cents. I can't support this, for the simple fact that it's just too much for a simple thing that's not really a problem. Everyone has the right to run their auction the way they want, just like anyone has the right to sell their items the way they want. ![]() Edited on 29/12/15 @ 01:00:38 by Reebuh {TMFEoL} (#3487) |
Blossom Witch (Clean Ferus) (#6408) ![]() Aztec Knight View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2015-12-28 22:37:52 |
I only lowered my autobuy because it was two weeks in, it was an event month. I was just trying to get raid of it so someone else coups have fun with the month stuff and it was just a bit high I feel, but really the only thing I don't like is you have to go to a mod to change something if you miss something on your post, that's all really. Plus I usely always ask around to see what the price is off something before settin, it may not be always the right amount as no one knows the true value and sets what they want etc.g and I always put the starting bid as to what I would accept, I have only ever put that stupid dis clamier because I have seen others do it, but after a while I got tired of doing auction because that stupid little rule. ![]() |
🐶 FlipicusPup main [S2D] (#22800) Punisher View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2016-03-12 20:45:44 |
I don't support I'm afraid, mods have a lot of work as it is and if there were specific mods for it then the number of them would have to double to cover all time zones. Not to mention that if moderators are unsure and need a final decision they must ask the admins, of whom there are only four. Tickets would quickly fill up the modbox with minor edits, unfortunately not everyone can proofread perfectly, and not everyone will think of everything within a 24hr period. People also re-use threads, which is helpful as it doesn't clog up the server as much as if you had to have a seperate thread for every auction you do. The current ToS isn't so strbict right now because currently the in-game systems make the rules for us and everything else falls under 'promise based' or at your own risk. Auctions are in this category, and therefore I feel like an in-game solution is more likely to be added, and would be more useful and convenient to players. Besides, the sheer number of players who skip reading the site's rules entirely, or just skim read them, are immense, and that just adds to the moderator's workload. ![]() Edited on 13/03/16 @ 03:47:12 by FlipicusPup [S2D] (Galaxy) (#22800) |