Another fairly easy solution would be an option to hide trades (or trades from specific players). I think it's been mentioned somewhere here before but I find it to be the most realistic solution that would satisfy both sides.

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Full support ,

I lurk the TC , and noticed an uptick of these trades in the TC and like everyone stated above blocking seems to be the only current solution to this ! I feel pretty awful blocking people that I don't know, but alas its the only way to clear these !

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reportable definitely please, it is begging, but no limit on how low an sb trade can be, just because some abuse the system doesn't mean it should impact everyone's experience.

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I mean, making them reportable means making them against the rules aka banning them.

Which would be great, because every trip to tc to look at currency containing trades ends with at least 10+ people blocked for me. I don't even put reasons for blocking anymore on the list. And I went from around 20 people blocked to definitely over 200 if not more (I kinda lost count after 160), which is... well, less than optimal in the long run.

The worst part is that quite a lot of the whole challenge trades with that 1sb are straight up with people going "Please offer something worth MORE" which is, guess what - veiled begging/scamming! Under the guise of providing some sort of payment for something you spent time and energy to get. This is not a challenge at all, a challenge would be setting a goal and taking time and energy to get to that goal on your own, that's what a challenge is. Like, for example, getting high in demand event items and selling them with profit after the event ends. Which is what most of us older players did in order to get our hybrids, our items, our special based lions etc. We planned ahead using a very shitty wiki at the time and a very small FAQ, both incomparably worse than what is available now, with all the steps and explanations for items etc.
And why I am bringing that up? Because it's mostly newbies I see with such trades, hoping they can get a "headstart" by begging/playing the newbie card. And some people enable them instead of going "Sorry but no".

I really do hope Admins take a look at this suggestion and do something about it, because it's getting worse and also causing more problems with a lot of newbies acting entitled to free/cheap stuff and demanding it outright in chat, in tc, on forums etc.

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I personally don't care I looked up 1 sb trade at tc and I only saw 2 they both had 1GB added to them.
I understand just saying ignore it can be upsetting as it doesn't solve anything but personally it doesn't bother me. like someone else said things like this happen in real life. but has it seems so many people don like it maybe there could be a setting where just like you can look for things you can make it where you can choose not to see certain items but I don't think it needs to go as far to outlaw it.

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^ not sure where you're only seeing two 1sb-challenge trades - there are more than 2 full pages of results for them just atm, only searching 1sb as the keyword (link). I'm 100% sure there are a lot more I would find if I put in slightly different keyword(s) to search, but life's too short to keep looking. Suffice to say, there are FAR more than 2 trades like this in the TC!!

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ur right I looked up trades that have a buyout of 1sb but I still stand with my opinion non the less but I am sympathetic
towards people who dislike this but i don't think it should be outlawed just a feature that could toggle out items or currency just like you can look up specific items

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We already have a toggle to see specific items, currency etc. in the Trading Center. That already exists. The problem is that the whole paperclip challenge and the "1sb/5sb/whatever junk to [insert expensive item/lion here]" floods the Trading Center which is not a place for challenges/games. It's a place for trading. For challenges/games there are specific forum sections.

And it is, all in all, veiled begging, like we already stated multiple times in this thread. The very paperclip challenge is seen as veiled begging on multiple other pet sim games, which Lioden also is. And we have actual rules in Code of Conduct that state that such things are not allowed. The point 1.22 of CoC specifically: Do not use game features for anything other than what they are intended for. And it also could fall under point 1.4 of CoC, as many of the veiled begging instances did for quite a while: Do not outright ask for items/currency/lions that do not belong to you and are not offered for sale., as many people in the so called challenge trades specify that a) they want MORE than what their offer is worth or b) they go for a veiled begging guilt trip of "or if you feel generous you can give me a tigon/leopon/whatever else I am asking for".

Which brings us back to the fact that such trades should at the very least be reportable and moderated according to the rules that Admins set themselves for a damn REASON.

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They are rather annoying and should definitely be dealt with in the harshest way possible.

And it is pretty bad when they do Part 2, Part 3, etc. You know it's the same person. I saw at least 10, excluding the sequels. But I didn't scroll through the entire trading center, however I do agree with those that say it is way more than only two. It is most definitely more than only two.

I hate all challenges really, but it really gets my proverbial goat when they do this for something rare like a Leopon or Tigon. I've seen 1SB to Ferus also, and some ferus go for 20 GB or higher. (Yes I know that is small potatoes compared to a Pon or Gon) But it's just stupid to essentially get something most people work hard for, or never attain, for either free or by begging as this challenge suggests.

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Not gonna lie; most of these I see are from newer players. Many players see it as an easy way to get rare and almost impossible rare items/lions at their stage ( if they are newer) without grinding or getting lucky. They set these types of trades up, and it's borderline begging. I don't think we should just ignore it as many people say because If this continues, I'm pretty sure there will be floods of these types of trades, even forums, as lioden continues to gain new players.

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After reading @Khajiit {G3 LEONID4xBO RARE} (#68800)'s post right above me.
Fully agree, these trades already, in the sense, are against the rules that linden has for their policy, and looking at the support-no support ratio, there seems to be a very general consensus. If it is so looked down upon and disliked by the community, especially if it's a hindrance in a player's day-to-day play experience, something should be done. Blocking people is not a big problem however when it is coming to blocking 10 people +, it's annoying and can also degen player experience. What's important here is making sure that said rules and policies are upheld and that player experience isn't being decreased. If something that is "harmless" is causing annoyance to players especially to so many, then it should be dealt with. Also, this puts into an example for other issues as well, because if we put the standard to 'the problem is annoying but harmless, so there should be no changes/fixes', then what would it be like with 20 problems of similar annoyance to exist on lioden? I would assume there would be a decrease in players.

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I am going to state this. If you feel a trade is against the rules, there is a report trade button. Hit it, let the mod team decide if it's actually against the rules or not. If those types of trades are reported then maybe something will be done. But until then, nothing can be done. As of right now, Blocking has been updated that blocked members can not see/purchase a trade from someone that has them blocked and you can't see anything from the blocked player.

So I think that reporting and blocking is going to be the best bet at this time.

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As a general ruling I believe mods have specifically said they are not considered against the rules at this point, which is why this suggestion is for the ruling to include these trades :)

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And I understand that. But what I am saying is if you feel that a certain trade is going against the rules. Report it. Mods can not do anything or change their mind on something if they do not see proof of the rule breaks. Like anywhere else on lioden, if something is not reported then how are mods meant to see a rule break?

If players want things to change, instead of just blocking the players that do it, report it. State what you feel is breaking a rule and then maybe something will be done. Until then, I don't see the mods really doing anything about these trades. Getting a ruling changed won't happen until the mods see that a rule has been broken or even something being used in the wrong way.

This is the same thing as when we had tons of players putting up Proof Trades (trades showing they had certain items) and that was made against the rules. Which the only way that happened was reporting the trades. You still see them and the only way a mod will act on it will be if its reported.

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Support. These types of trades clog up the TC and I personally see them as borderline begging. "Offer more than what I have"; how is that NOT begging lmao?

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"It's not begging and doesn't clog up TC", meanwhile players (notice how it's one person who set ALL of these, ID hidden to prevent witch hunting):


Everyone in favour of 1 SB challenges said they will go away at some point as they're "a short trend" and "just for fun", yet it has been half a year and they're more prevalent than ever. What's the excuse now?
Is blocking half of the player base really the only fix devs can offer on this matter, especially with players openly asking for offers worth more than their trades? How come friends, family and partners have to constantly worry about being targeted by mods for 'funneling' when gifting each other and offer exchanges that are 'beneficial to both parties', but others get to trade junk for valuables on daily basis?

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